tsubaki
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German elections at the end of September, so October would be the absolute latest moment before the negotiations start in earnest. I'd be amazed if they did it though, they'd get absolutely shredded.
Current Affairs 2017 General Election
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German elections at the end of September, so October would be the absolute latest moment before the negotiations start in earnest. I'd be amazed if they did it though, they'd get absolutely shredded.
tsubaki
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hoc voluerunt, I suppose
roydo
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The Tories?
Not so sure myself.
If they put May up again, then yeah, in the bin. But the only way a GE will be called if she is canned.
The Labour Party, had, by a country mile, the most charismatic leader of all of them. They also had several open goals to tap in, they also had a rank awful Tory leader/campaigner in their cross hairs. Their social media presence was superb, they mobilised the youth vote, and they managed to keep the campaign mainly domestic/wish list.
Yet. Didnt win.
If you think the Tory high command will have learnt nothing from that, the most ruthless political party in the UK, well, lets see. It is far from a stroll down from the Yellow Brick Road for him.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Never heard him on the clip , but he's the Paxman of LBC!
May said she would pull the UK out of the ECHR.
The Good Friday Agreement says,
'Safeguards 5.
There will be safeguards to ensure that all sections of the community can participate and work together successfully in the operation of these institutions and that all sections of the community are protected, including:
(a) allocations of Committee Chairs, Ministers and Committee membership in proportion to party strengths;
(b) the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and any Bill of Rights for Northern Ireland supplementing it, which neither the Assembly nor public bodies can infringe, together with a Human Rights Commission;
(c) arrangements to provide that key decisions and legislation are proofed to ensure that they do not infringe the ECHR and any Bill of Rights for Northern Ireland;"
Also, "These additional rights to reflect the principles of mutual respect for the identity and ethos of both communities and parity of esteem, and - taken together with the ECHR - to constitute a Bill of Rights for Northern Ireland"
Pulling the UK out of the ECHR will make the Good Friday Agreement null and void.
People in the North have a right to Irish citizenship and therefore EU citizenship. After Brexit those with Irish passports will have to be included in the immigration figures. Will people in the North have to show their passports for benefits and health treatment and treated like any other EU citizen?
There are a number of cross border institutes will be hindered by border checks and therefore breaking the Good Friday agreement.
"the right to freely choose one’s place of residence;" -free movement on the Island of Ireland.
Furthermore,
"Human Rights
1. The parties affirm their commitment to the mutual respect, the civil rights and the religious liberties of everyone in the community. Against the background of the recent history of communal conflict, the parties affirm in particular:
• the right of free political thought;
• the right to freedom and expression of religion;
• the right to pursue democratically national and political aspirations;
• the right to seek constitutional change by peaceful and legitimate means;
• the right to freely choose one’s place of residence;
• the right to equal opportunity in all social and economic activity, regardless of class, creed, disability, gender or ethnicity;
• the right to freedom from sectarian harassment; and
• the right of women to full and equal political participation."
The Tories have made no secret of their hostility to the ECHR and want to take the UK out of it. The DUP have never hidden their dislike for the Agreement and recommended to its' supporters that the reject the Good Friday Agreement. They lost. It seems they may get their way
Maybe May has already jumped on a plane to Belfast to write the Queens speech with her new found friends. An extremely bumpy ride lies ahead to say the least. No wonder May didn't want to talk about Brexit.
The Good Friday Agreement says,
'Safeguards 5.
There will be safeguards to ensure that all sections of the community can participate and work together successfully in the operation of these institutions and that all sections of the community are protected, including:
(a) allocations of Committee Chairs, Ministers and Committee membership in proportion to party strengths;
(b) the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and any Bill of Rights for Northern Ireland supplementing it, which neither the Assembly nor public bodies can infringe, together with a Human Rights Commission;
(c) arrangements to provide that key decisions and legislation are proofed to ensure that they do not infringe the ECHR and any Bill of Rights for Northern Ireland;"
Also, "These additional rights to reflect the principles of mutual respect for the identity and ethos of both communities and parity of esteem, and - taken together with the ECHR - to constitute a Bill of Rights for Northern Ireland"
Pulling the UK out of the ECHR will make the Good Friday Agreement null and void.
People in the North have a right to Irish citizenship and therefore EU citizenship. After Brexit those with Irish passports will have to be included in the immigration figures. Will people in the North have to show their passports for benefits and health treatment and treated like any other EU citizen?
There are a number of cross border institutes will be hindered by border checks and therefore breaking the Good Friday agreement.
"the right to freely choose one’s place of residence;" -free movement on the Island of Ireland.
Furthermore,
"Human Rights
1. The parties affirm their commitment to the mutual respect, the civil rights and the religious liberties of everyone in the community. Against the background of the recent history of communal conflict, the parties affirm in particular:
• the right of free political thought;
• the right to freedom and expression of religion;
• the right to pursue democratically national and political aspirations;
• the right to seek constitutional change by peaceful and legitimate means;
• the right to freely choose one’s place of residence;
• the right to equal opportunity in all social and economic activity, regardless of class, creed, disability, gender or ethnicity;
• the right to freedom from sectarian harassment; and
• the right of women to full and equal political participation."
The Tories have made no secret of their hostility to the ECHR and want to take the UK out of it. The DUP have never hidden their dislike for the Agreement and recommended to its' supporters that the reject the Good Friday Agreement. They lost. It seems they may get their way
Maybe May has already jumped on a plane to Belfast to write the Queens speech with her new found friends. An extremely bumpy ride lies ahead to say the least. No wonder May didn't want to talk about Brexit.
tsubaki
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Corbyn had less money, an openly hostile media (including the state broadcaster), the election was basically ran by about six or seven people (and staffed by tens of thousands of volunteers), the entire PLP (including the Deputy Leader) took no part in the national campaign and they started twenty points behind. I don't think a major political party has ever had all that go against it, never mind have all that go against it and got better results than it has had for years.
As for the Tories - I agree they are ruthless, and I agree they will almost certainly try and fight the next election differently, but my point was that they would lose if they called another election for October.
For a start, it would require another outbreak of Labour infighting and a collapse in the polls - which is unlikely given this result, the lack of any elections coming up for them to fall out over and the looming Parliamentary recess. Secondly, they'd have to call it in August - which would mean another five months wasted from the Brexit clock that they started ticking. Thirdly, there would have to be a blatant and non-political reason for them to call the election or it would just look like they are attempting to do what they have just failed so spectacularly to do. Finally, I am not sure that CCHQ is as competent as it used to be - that manifesto for a start, but also the rehiring of Lynton Crosby despite his failures in the Goldsmith Mayoral campaign, and if they haven't decided to get rid of May (and they need to within the next nine days) it would suggest that no-one over there knows how to fix this.
The only way I could see there being another election this year is if the various Labour and Tory "moderates", backed by the minor parties, decided to try and scupper Brexit on the basis that they probably have a majority in the Commons. We would then be in really uncharted territory and I am not sure that our politics would ever be the same afterwards.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
He basically said, you can't be calling Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser and then get into bed with the DUP which is backed by Terrorist organisations.
Labour should now be digging into the closets of those MPs that will try and prop up the Tories and bring it to the forefront before we do this all again.
There is nothing to drag out other than the fact they are extremely socially conservative. Extremely.
There's only one party here who's leadership were involved in terror and it's not the DUP.
Loyalist paramilitaries, thankfully, get annihilated when they decide to contest elections.
All today has done is highlighted to me again how completely misinformed people in the mainland are about NI.
peteblue
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Dear god, that must be one incredibly stupid constituency.........
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