Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Blues Harp]

And has continued to be right up to the present day. It's a political open goal, a bit like the Cps investigations. They should be linking it to historic sleaze all over the show.

Sadly, Corbyn team incompetence means it has all been wasted. Better to concentrate on helping Uncle Len and the other wasters.

Hopefully the next Labour iteration will be all over this stuff like a bad rash

Tory- lite then ? Like war criminal Blair ?

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Has this Teresa May ever actually answered a question at PMQ's?

Don't think she has.

Probably why she's avoiding any sort of TV debate - she can't debate without scripted answers or her baying mob behind her.

Don't think I've ever heard any prime minister answer a question Groucho.

 

[orly]

Tory- lite then ? Like war criminal Blair ?

No, as above. Thanks though

 

[Clint Planet]

The point is though that Starmer would not be that leader; he would face the same problems (admittedly at a lesser intensity) than Corbyn does - the papers would still be overwhelmingly hostile, the faction around Blair would still seek to undermine him, Watson would still prevent any reform of the party that didn't positively benefit him. Even the fact that it would be the membership would put him in would probably be used against him.

If Corbyn goes it will be someone (as IIRC you said earlier) who has spent the last few years hiding under a rock. That would suggest Cooper or Umunna, and Umunna would be the one that the papers - and the wider establishment - would prefer.

You only have to see the massive surge in Labour membership after Corbyn was elected to understand how The Establishment (because it comprises both Right and Left, at least up to a point) felt compelled to crush this uprising at all costs. Take the Expenses Scandal, for example. I say "scandal" - the truth is, we were all terribly cross about it for a short while then Call Me Dave said some slightly stern things and it was all back to normal. Hundreds of heads should have rolled (I mean, imagine if that level of corruption was discovered in, say, the NHS or the Teaching profession) but actually nobody took more than a graze from a deflected bullet. Corbyn, of course, is above all of that. He famously claims for next to nothing and devotes scores of hours to commendable causes beyond his official remit.

Doesn't make them look very good, does he?

He needed to be destroyed.

He represents what we expect of our Parliamentarians and yet we have been convinced that he is an untrustworthy fool. In the meantime, a bunch of stupid toffs and bigots are seen as the safe pair of hands.

Cup of tea, Mr Orwell?

 

[tsubaki]

As above - no chance ever of Ummuna getting the gig. Can see Cooper but as borne out in the Leadership election, she couldn't even beat Burnham

I agree there might well be quite a bit on Umunna, but that is the sort of person they like to work with. He has stayed out of the leadership elections (sort of) and has spent the last two years hobnobbing with the PLP. If he does what his idol did, and becomes Rupe's man in Millbank, no-one will see any of the bad stuff and he will be able to get the leadership without much bother.

 

[peteblue]

Has this Teresa May ever actually answered a question at PMQ's?

Don't think she has.

Probably why she's avoiding any sort of TV debate - she can't debate without scripted answers or her baying mob behind her.

Not really Groucho. She is head and shoulders above Corbyn , Dim, the Nats etc. She is behaving like a proper serious politician, not some game show or beauty show contestant. This TV debate crap only started a couple of years ago and it would be good to kick it into touch. It may be fun TV but it adds nothing to a serious political debate......imho....

 

[hallamblue]

Has this Teresa May ever actually answered a question at PMQ's?

Don't think she has.

Probably why she's avoiding any sort of TV debate - she can't debate without scripted answers or her baying mob behind her.

Thatcher was the same, she hated pmqs and was outwitted by 10 year olds on Swap Shop!

 

[Clint Planet]

Cooper yes, but Kendall was a nothing whose sole purpose seemed to be to prove that Progress could get absolutely anyone elected. I defy anyone to find any meaningful achievement of hers as a Shadow Cabinet Minister or MP.

Fair comment. I was citing her mainly because she was so visible at the time.

 

[peteblue]

Another one I like whose dad was a bit of a firebrand is Hilary Benn.

He is, and I've said it before, the only serious politician within the Labour ranks........

 

[roydo]

Not really Groucho. She is head and shoulders above Corbyn , Dim, the Nats etc. She is behaving like a proper serious politician, not some game show or beauty show contestant. This TV debate crap only started a couple of years ago and it would be good to kick it into touch. It may be fun TV but it adds nothing to a serious political debate......imho....

It probably got Trump elected........


Cricky.

 

[Sunderland afc]

Current smb standings.

Conservative
104 vote(s) 32.5%
Labour
103 vote(s) 32.2%
Lib Dems
69 vote(s) 21.6%
UKIP
12 vote(s) 3.8%
Green
7 vote(s) 2.2%
Other
25 vote(s) 7.8%

 

[Groucho]

If anyone was still wondering what you are, then your post above should have just told them all. Go read the Sun.

That's below the belt that mate.

 

[peteblue]

His lad comes across quite well , the few times i have seen him on tv

He comes across as what he is,

It probably got Trump elected........


Cricky.

Indeed. The only people who want these things are those who look like losing........

 

[tsubaki]

Not really Groucho. She is head and shoulders above Corbyn , Dim, the Nats etc. She is behaving like a proper serious politician, not some game show or beauty show contestant. This TV debate crap only started a couple of years ago and it would be good to kick it into touch. It may be fun TV but it adds nothing to a serious political debate......imho....

She is just doing what all recently successful British politicians do, which is to sidle up to Murdoch. It won the UK for Blair (three times), Scotland for the SNP (twice), and the UK for Dave (twice).

As an aside, does anyone think that his Sky bid is going to be blocked now?

 

[Seanjd]

He is, and I've said it before, the only serious politician within the Labour ranks........

Who do you consider to be 'serious politicians' within the Tory ranks. Barring May, because I think you used that term for her in a previous post.