Current Affairs 2017 General Election

2017 general election

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 24 6.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 264 71.0%
  • Tories

    Votes: 41 11.0%
  • Cheese on the ballot paper

    Votes: 35 9.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Total voters
    372
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This mainly.
So is she firming up her base or getting out from under from the faceless men in those smoke filled backrooms who put her in power.
or just getting a contract extension.
Probably all these things and more. Should she win comfortably and get a big majority (and I think she will unless Labour get behind Corbyn) Teresa May basically have Carte Blanche. It's a very politically smart power grab on her part.
 
The voters that puzzle me the most are the Lib Dem voters. You obviously don't want the Conservatives to win but your effectively guaranteeing that they will. Ditto for the SNP voters. We keep hearing that Jeremy Corbyn can't win from people but it would be far from impossible if everyone who claims to want the Torries out simply voted for Labour. It comes to this imo, if you don't vote for Labour your effectively voting for a Conservative victory.

Jings and crivens! Scotland, yeah forgot about them, aka a 'Lothian Question' for 2017...I wonder how that wee harridan fish wife will play it now
 
Yvette Cooper - the most average MP in the world - destroyed Corbyn's entire contribution in this PMQs with one 20 second question.
Was just thinking how great she sounded and what a shame she wasnt leader....then i realised i was think this of yvette cooper! God the bar has been set low...
 
Scotland aka a 'Lothian Question' for 2017...I wonder how that wee harridan fish wife will play it now
Sturgeon and the SNP will never sacrifice or even postpone their crusade of Scottish independence regardless of how much it will hurt the country. All she will see with a Conservative victory is an opportunity to further her goals.
 
But most of those are completely intangible.

'Some degree of stability' - what does that mean? What is the life span on that? How would it be implemented?

At the risk of wasting a load more time on you, those aren't intangible policies.

Under the New Labour, Coalition and Tory governments there have been an explosion in the number of zero-hours contracts and agency work. Nearly a million people now work under a zero hours contract and more work via agencies and subcontract umbrella companies. There is abundant evidence - including two separate Court cases - that those people are being exposed to practices that are unfair and illegal (and unsafe, if we are talking about construction firms - probably why the number of deaths is going up).

This needs to be dealt with, as its not only affecting those people, its also affecting people (like black cab drivers, or booksellers) and firms who are facing unfair competition because they don't break the law and pay the minimum wage.

'homes that people can actually afford' - how is that going to be achieved? House building? Loads of really poor quality 'new homes' that the banks insure themselves against?

Building more social housing would be a start (especially if they are going to sell them off as well), but you could just resurrect the old Livingstone policy (from when he was Mayor of London) of only allowing new developments if a % of it was genuinely social housing. That worked, it didn't cost the taxpayer anything, they were all of good quality, it didn't substantially affect the profitability of the development and it made better developments than we have seen since, at least down here.

Ok, so what would an alternative business policy look like?

A total freeze on business rates, elimination of tax breaks for big firms and a fair system for resolving contract disputes (and encouraging fair deals in the first place). Also It isn't Labour policy, but I'd also like to see a US-style "honest services" fraud bill put on the statute books, requiring directors and senior management to do their jobs honestly and in the best interests of the firm as a whole, rather than themselves.

The NHS will be sued regardless of Government - and it indemnifies itself against it

For some things yes, but if the state stopped outsourcing whole areas of competence like that the likes of Virgin would go away (who at the end of the day bring very little to the table - all the staff actually delivering the service are usually TUPE'd in from the NHS anyway, then hammered when their protections run out).

What would this foreign policy look like? Appeasement

Which was ironically Tory official policy, ruthlessly enforced (as loads of them, including Amery, Cartland, Eden and the Duchess of Atholl found out). I'd expect there would be rather more focus on negotiation where possible and rather less on spectacular but useless token attacks.

And what would a Corbyn cabinet look like? Abbott as Health Sec? McDonald as Foreign Sec? After that, who else is there?

Do you really think that, if he won, the boycott of his Cabinet by the so-called leading lights of Labour would continue? Also its McDonnell, and he would probably be Chancellor.
 
The voters that puzzle me the most are the Lib Dem voters. You obviously don't want the Conservatives to win but your effectively guaranteeing that they will. Ditto for the SNP voters. We keep hearing that Jeremy Corbyn can't win from people but it would be far from impossible if everyone who claims to want the Torries out simply voted for Labour. It comes to this imo, if you don't vote for Labour your effectively voting for a Conservative victory.
Yeah, damn those voters who vote for the party they are most aligned with! They should be voting for a party they don't like in order to keep out a party they don't like! How dare they!
 
At the risk of wasting a load more time on you, those aren't intangible policies.

Under the New Labour, Coalition and Tory governments there have been an explosion in the number of zero-hours contracts and agency work. Nearly a million people now work under a zero hours contract and more work via agencies and subcontract umbrella companies. There is abundant evidence - including two separate Court cases - that those people are being exposed to practices that are unfair and illegal (and unsafe, if we are talking about construction firms - probably why the number of deaths is going up).

This needs to be dealt with, as its not only affecting those people, its also affecting people (like black cab drivers, or booksellers) and firms who are facing unfair competition because they don't break the law and pay the minimum wage.



Building more social housing would be a start (especially if they are going to sell them off as well), but you could just resurrect the old Livingstone policy (from when he was Mayor of London) of only allowing new developments if a % of it was genuinely social housing. That worked, it didn't cost the taxpayer anything, they were all of good quality, it didn't substantially affect the profitability of the development and it made better developments than we have seen since, at least down here.



A total freeze on business rates, elimination of tax breaks for big firms and a fair system for resolving contract disputes (and encouraging fair deals in the first place). Also It isn't Labour policy, but I'd also like to see a US-style "honest services" fraud bill put on the statute books, requiring directors and senior management to do their jobs honestly and in the best interests of the firm as a whole, rather than themselves.



For some things yes, but if the state stopped outsourcing whole areas of competence like that the likes of Virgin would go away (who at the end of the day bring very little to the table - all the staff actually delivering the service are usually TUPE'd in from the NHS anyway, then hammered when their protections run out).



Which was ironically Tory official policy, ruthlessly enforced (as loads of them, including Amery, Cartland, Eden and the Duchess of Atholl found out). I'd expect there would be rather more focus on negotiation where possible and rather less on spectacular but useless token attacks.



Do you really think that, if he won, the boycott of his Cabinet by the so-called leading lights of Labour would continue? Also its McDonnell, and he would probably be Chancellor.


Hahaha, 'wasting any more time'. Only one of us living in dreamworld here - and it's why vast amounts of Corbyn support has evaporated.

Social housing as the solution? Total waste of time. It's of horrendous build quality, the banks won't touch it. It's been tried, and it failed. And the utter irony of Corbyn maniacs suggesting a Livingstone policy be resurrected! 'they were all of good quality' - do your research. They were of awful quality. The hackney / Stratford builds are horrendous. But no, let's just live in dreamworld.

A total freeze on business rates?!?! That's economic suicide. Totally and utterly ridiculous.

Simon Stevens, Sir Bruce Keogh, every major NHS person you know will tell you the private sector has to be embraced properly. There has to be outsourcing, it's inevitable and necessary; unless we cull vast amounts of the population.

McDonnell as Chancellor. Can you even imagine it.

Still, you'll be tooting to the wind in 50 days time, thank god, and we won't have to worry about Corbyn and McDonnell any longer. Sadly, we may have to worry about Abbott, because she usually hops on any bandwagon she can find.
 
Yeah, damn those voters who vote for the party they are most aligned with! They should be voting for a party they don't like in order to keep out a party they don't like! How dare they!
They're free to vote however they want, I've not said otherwise have I? But they should face the facts that they are effectively guaranteeing a Conservative government.
 
Hahaha, 'wasting any more time'. Only one of us living in dreamworld here - and it's why vast amounts of Corbyn support has evaporated.

Social housing as the solution? Total waste of time. It's of horrendous build quality, the banks won't touch it. It's been tried, and it failed. And the utter irony of Corbyn maniacs suggesting a Livingstone policy be resurrected! 'they were all of good quality' - do your research. They were of awful quality. The hackney / Stratford builds are horrendous. But no, let's just live in dreamworld.

A total freeze on business rates?!?! That's economic suicide. Totally and utterly ridiculous.

Simon Stevens, Sir Bruce Keogh, every major NHS person you know will tell you the private sector has to be embraced properly. There has to be outsourcing, it's inevitable and necessary; unless we cull vast amounts of the population.

McDonnell as Chancellor. Can you even imagine it.

Still, you'll be tooting to the wind in 50 days time, thank god, and we won't have to worry about Corbyn and McDonnell any longer. Sadly, we may have to worry about Abbott, because she usually hops on any bandwagon she can find.

If anyone was still wondering what you are, then your post above should have just told them all. Go read the Sun.

edit: Oh, and with regards to your specific complaints about awful quality of "Livingstone-built" social housing developments:

In response to inquiries from the Guardian, a spokesperson for Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, said that in all the cases concerned, grants had been awarded by the previous mayor, Boris Johnson.
 
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They're free to vote however they want, I've not said otherwise have I? But they should face the facts that they are effectively guaranteeing a Conservative government.
You said they puzzle you the most. I'd argue that their vote is the least puzzling. If only everyone would vote like that. At least it'd be a bit more representative than it is now (though FPTP will never give anything remotely resembling representation).
 
If anyone was still wondering what you are, then your post above should have just told them all. Go read the Sun.

edit: Oh, and with regards to your specific complaints about awful quality of "Livingstone-built" social housing developments:

You're a disgrace for saying that of an Evertonian you don't even know personally and you should be rightly ashamed of yourself.

50 days until Corbyn limps off into obscurity and we can get an effective Labour Party back, not a load of pie-in-the-sky dreamers and never-has-beens
 
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