Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[brigadier]

Dennis skinner what a guy.

 

[edge]

Serious question.. who would you identify with, then? I personally have a lot of time for Kinnock. The Labour party needs a modern day version of him imo.

His lad comes across quite well , the few times i have seen him on tv

 

[orly]

Dennis skinner what a guy.

Feared on all sides

 

[Clint Planet]

Chuka Ummuna could never, ever lead the Labour Party. He was actively involved in the shuttering of small businesses against their interest and taking the consultancy fees for their administration.

Ire, disappointment, frustration.

Whatever, why are you not angry at Cooper, Kendall et al refusing to serve? With them, Labour would always have stood a strong chance, no matter who was the leader (and let's not forget, Corbyn was/is seen as a breath of fresh air by many out there). As it is, we have to do it the hard way.

I will not forget their treachery, though.

 

[edge]

Chuka Ummuna could never, ever lead the Labour Party. He was actively involved in the shuttering of small businesses against their interest and taking the consultancy fees for their administration.

Ire, disappointment, frustration.

Had high hopes for him at one piont, seemed quite impressive then just went completely off the boil.

 

[roydo]

Corbyn's parliamentary voting over the years, I think it can be universally agreed, has been guided by his commitment to traditional Leftist values of fairness, compassion and a revulsion of opportunist international conflict and exploitation. Go and find things he voted for that you disagree with. It is the Labour Party that was wrenched away from his position, not the other way around. To cast him as the villain is somewhat Stalinist when you really consider it with an open mind.

Wouldnt disagree with a word of that. Totally up to him how he votes or who he supports.

But the Labour Party that was wrenched away from him won 3 GE in a row.

If he thinks he will get close to winning one, I think he is wrong. But I might be, wrong that is. If he is happy to have an ineffective oppo party holding a foe to task, imo, he is actually abandoning the very folk he feels to be representative of.

Again Clint, an observation, from a non affiliated but intelligent "normal bloke". I have nothing personal against JC, and have no love in with anything Blue, well, actually I do, I just find his position and stance interesting.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Forgetting my personal opinion of May and everyone else in the election I really hope they leave out the tv debates this time. They are a total embarrassment to the whole country. X-Factor style nonsense that drags down any actual arguments to pathetic sound bites. Anyone voting for a party or anything else based on those tv debates needs to have a serious word with themselves.

 

[Clint Planet]

Had high hopes for him at one piont, seemed quite impressive then just went completely off the boil.

..bit like that Tristram C Vagina.

 

[orly]

Had high hopes for him at one piont, seemed quite impressive then just went completely off the boil.

Absolutely - but he'll do a Keith Vaz and be powerful on the periphery until he overdoes it and his skeletons are brought out for all to see.

 

[tsubaki]

But you see this is what I've been on about all day - there are alternatives. A knight of the realm with a solid track record of public service; that's a good alternative to the current malaise.

Less of the Abbotts and Thornberrys, more of the Starmers and (arguably) Coopers.

The point is though that Starmer would not be that leader; he would face the same problems (admittedly at a lesser intensity) than Corbyn does - the papers would still be overwhelmingly hostile, the faction around Blair would still seek to undermine him, Watson would still prevent any reform of the party that didn't positively benefit him. Even the fact that it would be the membership would put him in would probably be used against him.

If Corbyn goes it will be someone (as IIRC you said earlier) who has spent the last few years hiding under a rock. That would suggest Cooper or Umunna, and Umunna would be the one that the papers - and the wider establishment - would prefer.

 

[orly]

The point is though that Starmer would not be that leader; he would face the same problems (admittedly at a lesser intensity) than Corbyn does - the papers would still be overwhelmingly hostile, the faction around Blair would still seek to undermine him, Watson would still prevent any reform of the party that didn't positively benefit him. Even the fact that it would be the membership would put him in would probably be used against him.

If Corbyn goes it will be someone (as IIRC you said earlier) who has spent the last few years hiding under a rock. That would suggest Cooper or Umunna, and Umunna would be the one that the papers - and the wider establishment - would prefer.

As above - no chance ever of Ummuna getting the gig. Can see Cooper but as borne out in the Leadership election, she couldn't even beat Burnham

 

[tsubaki]

Whatever, why are you not angry at Cooper, Kendall et al refusing to serve? With them, Labour would always have stood a strong chance, no matter who was the leader (and let's not forget, Corbyn was/is seen as a breath of fresh air by many out there). As it is, we have to do it the hard way.

I will not forget their treachery, though.

Cooper yes, but Kendall was a nothing whose sole purpose seemed to be to prove that Progress could get absolutely anyone elected. I defy anyone to find any meaningful achievement of hers as a Shadow Cabinet Minister or MP.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

His lad comes across quite well , the few times i have seen him on tv

Another one I like whose dad was a bit of a firebrand is Hilary Benn.

 

[Groucho]

Has this Teresa May ever actually answered a question at PMQ's?

Don't think she has.

Probably why she's avoiding any sort of TV debate - she can't debate without scripted answers or her baying mob behind her.

 

[Blues Harp]

You're a disgrace for saying that of an Evertonian you don't even know personally and you should be rightly ashamed of yourself.

50 days until Corbyn limps off into obscurity and we can get an effective Labour Party back, not a load of pie-in-the-sky dreamers and never-has-beens

who you voting for then ? just asking ..

 

[peteblue]

You're absolute filth for accusing an Evertonian of being a S*n reader because they are anti-Corbyn.

We've got openly Tory supporting people on here like @peteblue - is he a S*n reader as well?

No of course he isn't.

Correct.....