Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Clint Planet]

I doubt also that most will either look at, or give a stuff about Mays voting record.

No doubt. But some will take note and change their vote.

 

[roydo]

Well, perhaps if the treacherous Blairites didn't refuse to serve under a democratically elected leader, we wouldn't have to worry about Ms Abbott*.


*Who, by the way, is the routine victim of the most appalling racism. Something you don't seem that arsed about.

Didnt Corbyn vote against various democratically elected leaders of the Labour Party like 200 times?

Goose and Gander.

 

[orly]

Well, perhaps if the treacherous Blairites didn't refuse to serve under a democratically elected leader, we wouldn't have to worry about Ms Abbott*.


*Who, by the way, is the routine victim of the most appalling racism. Something you don't seem that arsed about.

Completely untrue. She should report it directly to the police and those people should be prosecuted.

But racism in response to racism isn't on, is it? Just so we are clear here.

 

[tsubaki]

When did I say you were wrong mate?

All I alluded to was that I heard Corbyn going on about a bank, and that wont get folk legging it to a polling station. If you think its the central issue to decide the GE, fine. I happen to think it wont be. It will be Brexit. How it will be delivered. Nowt else. And to me, Corbyn looks clueless on that. TBF, not that much worse than May.

I doubt also that most will either look at, or give a stuff about Mays voting record.

I agree, but we won't hear anything about what Brexit will look like from May.

All we will hear from her is "I need your support so my/our position in negotiations is strong" something that has rightly been laughed at from the rest of the EU because it is exactly what Tsipras tried to do (albeit he had much more justification for doing it).

The chorus will probably be "Strong leader, stable Government", even though she also claims she has been forced into this by Corbyn (apparently unelectable) and the Liberal Democrats (who have nine MPs)

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Would be better to fight on the ground they are comfortable with, nhs ect and let the tories/ libs fight it out over Brexit, they cant gain anything there as the northern voters want out mostly, and the big cities london, liverpool ect want in, so they cant win either way.
Lots to pull the goverment and the SNP up about, but are they getting it across to the voters?
Sadly i dont think it matters as people will not vote for the leadership in place , not just Corbyn but the lightweights he surrounds himself with.

John McDonnell, Diane Abbott, Emily Thornberry...............................shudders profusely.

 

[roydo]

No doubt. But some will take note and change their vote.

Some.

Exactly. I am not a flag waver for anyone in this race, tuned out of party politics ages ago. But the point is, the narrow focus that the Labour Party seem to present, is really important to them, but not to anyone else. They/you can fume as much as you like, call folk repulsive, treacherous, whatever.

They are in an echo chamber, and no one outside it actually cares.

 

[tsubaki]

Didnt Corbyn vote against various democratically elected leaders of the Labour Party like 200 times?

Goose and Gander.

MPs should vote with their consciences. The Party whip system is, by a distance, the worst and most dangerous thing that exists in Parliament.

 

[orly]

John McDonnell, Diane Abbott, Emily Thornberry...............................shudders profusely.

Exactly.

He could have been a fantastic force for change, set up shop with a young, dynamic leadership committee mixed in with some old heads for guidance.

He opted for McDonnell and Abbott, with the poison pen of Milne for the rhetoric. That horrible right-wing Murdoch-infatuated rag, er, Private Eye pulls him up on it weekly.

 

[roydo]

MPs should vote with their consciences. The Party whip system is, by a distance, the worst and most dangerous thing that exists in Parliament.

Well yeah, but Clint was slamming Labour MPs for doing what Corbyn has done for ages.

Cant have it both ways.

Or maybe you can.

 

[Clint Planet]

But racism in response to racism isn't on, is it? Just so we are clear here.

I am no massive fan of Diane Abbott. But. Just to be very clear about "racism" - If Abbott says something nasty or untrue about me, it's not very nice but it doesn't oppress me or my people. I'm still more likely to get a job than another (black) guy with the same qualifications; I'm still less likely to be arrested on suss by the police; I'm much less likely to be poor or in prison. I'm okay, really. Just to be clear that "racism" and "racism" aren't quite the same thing.

If Abbott has said those things, she deserves condemnation but, as I've said, she's endured much, much worse herself - even after she was the only black person at her college at Cambridge.

But you carry on.

 

[Clint Planet]

Exactly.

He could have been a fantastic force for change, set up shop with a young, dynamic leadership committee mixed in with some old heads for guidance.

That's pretty much what he's done. Are you actually Alistair Campbell? I thought you supported Burnley.

 

[orly]

I am no massive fan of Diane Abbott. But. Just to be very clear about "racism" - If Abbott says something nasty or untrue about me, it's not very nice but it doesn't oppress me or my people. I'm still more likely to get a job than another guy with the same qualifications; I'm still less likely to be arrested on suss by the police; I'm much less likely to be poor or in prison. I'm okay, really. Just to be clear that "racism" and "racism" aren't quite the same thing.

If Abbott has said those things, she deserves condemnation but, as I've said, she's endured much, much worse herself - even after she was the only black person at her college at Cambridge.

But you carry on.

Carry on what?

Just to be clear that "racism" and "racism" aren't quite the same thing.

Right, that's very clear.

She doesn't deserve 'condemnation' - she deserves equal treatment. For using racism (as she has) she should be removed from office. Any other MP would be - and damn right too.

 

[orly]

That's pretty much what he's done. Are you actually Alistair Campbell? I thought you supported Burnley.

Haha - I've been accused of being a Burnley-supporting S*n reader today for having a 'Labour without Corbyn' view today. Superb.

 

[Clint Planet]

It's as simple as this:

*Ahem*

 

[tsubaki]

Well yeah, but Clint was slamming Labour MPs for doing what Corbyn has done for ages.

Cant have it both ways.

Or maybe you can.

Clint didn't say vote against, he said refused to serve.

Half of the most prominent in the PLP - Cooper, Umunna etc - refused to serve under Corbyn at all and most of the rest (Benn and his ilk) quit after the coup following EU referendum, in which they slated Corbyn for not taking an active role but in which none of them appeared more than fifteen times in six weeks.

That leaves him with not much option than to pick people who are loyal, or who are honest, and who have at least some recognition. McDonnell has been effective as Shadow Chancellor, Abbott less so, Starmer is probably the pick of the current Shadow Cabinet though he has had the easiest job given that the Government response to Brexit has been such a massive shambles.