Mandy, is that you?
Current Affairs 2017 General Election
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Mandy, is that you?
tadao
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So, whilst it's been great reading all the views of people on this thread today. Politics, like football, is an arena where Darwin's 'survival of the fittest', is more akin to 'survival of those who dare to think for themselves', (or should be).
I've highlighted bits from quotes (no reason why, other than they fit my agenda!).
'So many people aren't as politically informed' and 'lack of political education at school', herein lies the problem, when any major political decision is to be made, where is the logic behind an individuals choice?
Is it, influence by the media as in 'The Mail ran 8 SEPARATE anti-Corbyn stories'? Where is the counter balance?
Apparently, The Mail also has a popular online version and 'why people read it is it is lively, readable and has really good apps for online reading.' How many 'older' people use apps for their political discourse?
As a parent, I try to educate my kids with enough 'background info', so they can decide who is BS'ing (most of them unfortunately).
I still don't understand why, some form of politics (and Economics if I think about it) isn't taught to a decent level, from an early age? Surely then, people are in a better shape to make decisions on their own judgement, rather than what is fed to them?
I don't see how trust, of the political establishment, can be improved without wider public engagement?
Edit: These might not be pertinent points for the GE but, maybe something worth thinking about after that.
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Given the pay-off from any of our individual votes is so small (1/20 million or so roughly), it simply isn't worth the time for most people to educate themselves on politics. It's a major flaw of democracy.
Not an option I'm afraid. It is interesting though, as in the 2015 election thread, the poll showed 9.9% support for them, versus 21.1% support as we speak.
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Which was where I was coming from before with traditional Labour areas turning out more for Tory. It's so Brexit linked and that's what they will campaign on almost exclusively. Those areas which voted leave will trust May's 'safe hands' and vote accordingly.
It's going to be grim.
neil999
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I will make this happen immediately and the powers that be will NOT stop this happening
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The Tories are all over the shop. Announce a budget with taxing the self employed only to reverse it. May said there was no need for an election but changes her mind. You just couldn't make up such indecisiveness. May has been told that the complete mess they are in over leaving the EU they wouldn't stand a chance getting elected in 2020 due to the disastrous fallout from their 'negotiating tactics' over leaving the EU.
With the EU the Tories have done their usual tricks, attempt to intimidate, shout and bully to get their way. But it isn't working. It is a complete mess and they are being made to look weaker and weaker with every passing day. With the consequence that they will have to give in and give in even more which will make them look even weaker which will highlight the divisions in the Tory party even more.
The blustering and bumbling May, Davis, Johnson etc. have been exposed as being so incompetent that the Tory 'Grandees' have told May that she wouldn't get elected in 2020, so cut and run and call an election now to save the Tory bacon. And hope that they can salvage something from the Brexit fallout that is looking increasingly bad. The divisions in the country are all to evident and obvious that when May claimed that the, 'country was pulling together' that was the final straw that broke the Tory 'Grandees' back and made her look a laughing stock.
With the EU the Tories have done their usual tricks, attempt to intimidate, shout and bully to get their way. But it isn't working. It is a complete mess and they are being made to look weaker and weaker with every passing day. With the consequence that they will have to give in and give in even more which will make them look even weaker which will highlight the divisions in the Tory party even more.
The blustering and bumbling May, Davis, Johnson etc. have been exposed as being so incompetent that the Tory 'Grandees' have told May that she wouldn't get elected in 2020, so cut and run and call an election now to save the Tory bacon. And hope that they can salvage something from the Brexit fallout that is looking increasingly bad. The divisions in the country are all to evident and obvious that when May claimed that the, 'country was pulling together' that was the final straw that broke the Tory 'Grandees' back and made her look a laughing stock.
the gestapo has spoken, i support your struggle neil
and labour 10% higher in this thread, there are simply less options
It certainly doesn't help that Labour don't appear to have a clearly defined view on Brexit. With the Tories and UKIP you know you are voting for Brexit, with Lib Dems you know you are voting for as much obstruction to it as possible.
Actually I respect Corbyns policy on it of recognising a democratic vote has gone for Brexit but seeking to put limits on what is acceptable.
Most people will not see it as like that though (not helped by Labour MPs themselves being all over the place on it) and want something clear they can vote on, which I understand
neil999
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@Bruce Wayne add ukip, greens and other?
I did think about adding UKIP, but we're a respectable site so I'm not sure they warrant a place.
Does seem bizarre though that we have such a short lead-in time to an election. What can anyone really do in 7 weeks?
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