Gwladysstreetlad
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Your actually voting for that anti-democratic rancid little pipsqeek Dim Farron? You'd trust that moron to actually run the country? God help us all if that vermin got anywere near to Downing Street.
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Gwladysstreetlad
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They're always pointless and a total embarrassment to everyone. I'd much prefer a series of televised interviews for each candidates with serious searching questions with interviewers who will demand an answer or terminate the interview. The current nonsense is nothing other then sensationalism car cash nonsense for the benefit of the TV people and nobody else. Its not their intention to get questions answered it's all about ratings.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Well you know, we can talk all we want about whether they should be ashamed or not but until we get rid of this climate of fear that comes with voting differently some people will never admit to it. Its much better to talk logically with people who you susspect of voting against their own (and the what you consider to be the national interest). Just verbally attacking those we disagree with won't win anyone over.
Gwladysstreetlad
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I seriously question the parenting skills of any adult who thinks giving a child a sign like that to hold up is a good thing. Try and teach them why you think May is a bad person in as simplistic terms as needed for the child to understand but don't teach your them that name calling is a productive way to voice your displeasure at something/someone.
No, my Lib Dem candidate is Simon Hughes, so it'd be him I'd be voting for. To be honest, none of the leaders fill me with any kind of confidence, and like you, I couldn't see Tim Farron as prime minister, but as you well know by now, I think Brexit is an utterly awful decision, and this is the Brexit election, so it should come as little surprise that I'll be placing my cross in the box of the only party that is promising to call a halt to the entire nonsense.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Well fair enough Bruce at least your honest about your motivations but I'm quite saddened that an obviously intelligent person like yourself thinks that delegitmizing a democratic decision is a good thing. Brexit may turn out to be a disaster (it probably alredy is in your mind) or it might not but for me the referendum results should be respected and upheld. I think Tim Farrons breathtaking contempt for democracy is quite frankly dangerous. Your right about all if the leaders, none of them fill me with confidence either but to me Farron is a danger to our very liberty if he is serious about dismissing a democratic mandate.
I believe the policy is to offer a 2nd referendum based upon whatever deal is secured after negotiations. Given the enormous implications of leaving, it doesn't seem that far stretched to ask people if they're really sure when the facts are there on the table about just what leaving will mean.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Come on mate. Let's be honest here, your entire goal is to reverse the decision. It isn't about the deal we get because you've never really respected our previous decision. What would make this referendum anymore legitimate then the first? Can the leave side call for the third if we don't get a good enough deal on remaining once we've decided to stay? It's an endless cycle. The only way democracy can work is if we respect the decision of the electorate and no matter how your phrase it a second referendum is simply the means to ignore the mandate of the electorate.
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Sure, personally I think we should stay in, but I also think the amount of nonsense that was spoken during the campaign made making an informed decision very difficult. To a large extent that will be removed in a 2nd referendum as the facts (the deal) would be there on the table. The question then is whether to take it or leave it.
As it is, you've got Johnson still wittering on about the £350m for the NHS (despite no one else in his party believing whatsoever that the health service will receive anything extra, let alone £350m), you've got the government still pulling immigration figures out of thin air, and setting a target for all migrants that they have come nowhere near meeting with the non-EU migrants we can already control. It's a farce to be honest, and despite this being an election called because of Brexit, we've had several weeks where the government have barely mentioned it, all while the deadline for leaving gets tick tocked away.
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As you Scottish, Bruce? Let's have referendum after referendum until we get the answer Bruce wants.
Bruce, honestly, I would have expected far better from you. You need a reality check...
tsubaki
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there is much more logic in offering a referendum after we know what Brexit would look like rather than before it
Old Blue 2
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No it's not a Brexit election. It's an election called by May in order to strengthen her position in Parliament by increasing the Tory majority. However, running the campaign on the Brexit ticket, and then producing the kind of manifesto that it has done has, in my opinion so far, done more harm than good to the Tory cause. Corbyn has acted in a responsible and dignified way during the campaign, and with the Tory lead reducing in the polls, one cannot call what the situation may be come 8th June. Some say the population of the UK don't know what the greater issues are (that has been trumpeted about on this forum in another thread regarding the referendum), but I would suggest that the opposite is true, and people are now understanding the Tories for what they really are...
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