Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Clint Planet]

 

[bring the ghost on]

Pretty much all of them (I'm a Liberal, that should go some way as to explain why...)

Yeah, if you think any manifesto which doesn't contain liberal economic policy is grim, then you're gonna think any Labour manifesto ever published is grim.

 

[Mrk]

Yeah, if you think any manifesto which doesn't contain liberal economic policy is grim, then you're gonna think any Labour manifesto ever published is grim.

Not necessarily, Labour manifesto's under Blair were reasonably liberal on economics, but I catch your drift.

 

[tsubaki]

Tories have been fairly quiet for last week or so apart from just saying that the Labour manifesto is total fantasy and saying nothing about their own. I think their juggernaut will roll into action in the last fortnight with a campaign against Corbyn and McDonnell about anything and everrything they have said going back 30 years about IRA and any other "Terrorist" organisations and they know the public won't vote for them then with the backing of the Murdoch media behind them to spread the word.

No doubt, and if it does get closer it will get worse and worse. TBH I am not even sure that (if a miracle happens and he wins) whether they would let him form a government - the PLP would finally get a chance to legitimately refuse to have him as leader.

 

[tsubaki]

Polls tomorrow should be telling.

here's the first one of them, compiled as the Tory manifesto was being released:

 

[peteblue]

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here's the first one of them, compiled as the Tory manifesto was being released:

Don't forget the shy tories, remember last time.........

 

[Clint Planet]

Gonna be an interesting two and a half weeks. Seems to me, the Labour Manifesto is popular with waverers but they'll have to use social media to get their message through because the majority of the press and the BBC are maintaining either uniformly negative coverage or else simply not giving Labour the coverage they merit. The Tories, on the other hand, are running scared.Their manifesto comes across as an attack on the elderly and the foxes. Meanwhile, Corbyn, whenever he's given the chance, is able to show he's much more capable and likeable than they'd like him to be. They also know that May's supposed "strong and stable" image can be quickly undermined my her faltering public appearances and dislikable personality but they can't turn to many other heavyweights because they fear Boris will stick his foot straight into his mouth and they know that Rudd had no gravitas and that Hunt and Hammond are widely disliked.

On a personal note, I messaged my mum this morning, linking a Corbyn speech to her and saying she she should give him a listen. She messaged back saying she'd been in conversation with her sister and she'd decided to "Vote for Jeremy," possibly for the first time in her life.

Wonders will never cease.

 

[Clint Planet]

Don't forget the shy tories, remember last time.........

Ashamed, more like.

 

[tsubaki]

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Don't forget the shy tories, remember last time.........

There are certainly issues with that poll (the 7% UKIP figure for a start - phone polling earlier in the week had them at a more realistic 2%), but I wonder whether the "shy Tory" phenomenon will be a factor this time around - after all, the media isn't giving them any reason to be shy about voting Tory.

 

[ToffeeTim]

here's the first one of them, compiled as the Tory manifesto was being released:

That's looks like BS. Ukip 7??

 

[tsubaki]

That's looks like BS. Ukip 7??

I know, I don't believe that bit of it either.

They have been hovering between 4-7% in a lot of these polls, which is hard to believe given how well Nuttall has led the party in this campaign. As I said above, a phone poll that was done earlier in the week had them at around 2%, which seems far more reasonable.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I know, I don't believe that bit of it either.

They have been hovering between 4-7% in a lot of these polls, which is hard to believe given how well Nuttall has led the party in this campaign. As I said above, a phone poll that was done earlier in the week had them at around 2%, which seems far more reasonable.

No chance they poll over 5.

 

[chicoazul]

Mostly the economic policies (although on the economy, the Tories manifesto is nearly as bad for different reasons).

Pretty much all of them (I'm a Liberal, that should go some way as to explain why...)

Which specific policies though mate?

 

[chicoazul]

Can I just say that I loathe libertarians more than any other type of people. They're smug, bigoted belters who got rightfully bullied in school.

 

[Mrk]

Which specific policies though mate?

May just be easier to list them...

• Increases in personal taxation
• Increase in Corporation Tax (Will cost jobs, and won't raise anywhere near the 19.4bn they think)
• Rail renationalisation
• Plan to control the energy grid
• Abolition of tuition fees
• Fracking ban
• Ban of zero hour contracts (Only exploitative contracts should be banned)
• Excessive pay levy

Aside from that, there's some genuinely good stuff sandwiched in between that crap. Shame they won't get a chance to enact any of the good bits.