19th January - Everton vs. West Brom

[daz4matty]

To me it is obvious that Distin's gone. He was at fault for alot today.

The team is like a tree. The tree stands on its trunk. The defence.

When the defence does stupid things then you have lack of confidence throughout the side.


Distin I wouldn't pick again frankly.

So it stands to reason we will be buying players in January. We also I know for a fact, have money to do so.

Wing and Defence need an overhaul. Not an Alcaraz overhaul. We mean a long term signing.

I agree with that especially about distin he was shocking today

 

[wiggum23]

This isn't a bad patch, we've been crap since pre season with the odd good half here and there.

To get this side relegated would take a terrible manager and even worse luck. It would the biggest shock in the PL history and would make Martinez almost unemployable. That said, we are in the mix if we lose to Hull and City.

I think a win will kick start us with the new window helping also, but if we lost our next 3 PL games I would sack him deffo. I don't think we will lose them all so he will still be here IMO

 

[Tubey]

What does "we're Everton" do with any of this? Because of our past success, we shouldn't tolerate ANY sort of rough patches. Teams go through rough patches and even though I don't like how were playing at the moment, he's earned enough from me to climb out of the hole this team is under instead of sacking him at the first sign of trouble.

And if we fired him right now? Who realistically is out there, that we can afford can come in and do a better job? The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

With all due respect, knock off sense of entitlement because it'S severely misplaced. Just because of the success we had in the past doesn't mean we should sack managers at the first sign of trouble. We make fun of Spurs all the time for firing managers at the first sign of trouble because their chairman has zero patience and you want to go ahead and do the same thing? No thanks.

And tell me, how all that sacking done for Spurs on the pitch, eh? A couple nice league placing and playing the EL (which many Spurs fans hate playing in for the 2nd straight year). Yeah those changes in mid stream really did them a lot of good.

A "rough patch" is somewhat different to this. This is now the norm.

It's not sacking him at the first sign either - that would have been early November.

And I wish people would stop the "who's out there?" counter-argument - it's always the same, and the "grass isn't always greener" thing was the first defence of Moyes every single time. I don't know who's out there, but I can guarantee that Moyes and Martinez weren't on the top of the wishlist in hypotheticals either. Life goes on, the club is bigger than the manager.

As for the size of the club mattering, it simply does. You can be Wigan and finish 17th year on year because you're Wigan, and that's the max achievement. You can't drop below 10th with this team at Everton as it's too big a failure to tolerate. That's not entitlement, it's absolute fact.

 

[Allezfan]

You can't drop below 10th with this team at Everton as it's too big a failure to tolerate. That's not entitlement, it's absolute fact.

Which is why we sacked Catterick in 1966, I suppose and Moyes in both 2004 and 2006?

 

[Tubey]

Which is why we sacked Catterick in 1966, I suppose and Moyes in both 2004 and 2006?

"With this team"

 

[lynbrook1]

Im not sure if I should be more worried about our form, or some of the stuff that I will read on here.

 

[chicoazul]

What does "we're Everton" do with any of this? Because of our past success, we shouldn't tolerate ANY sort of rough patches. Teams go through rough patches and even though I don't like how were playing at the moment, he's earned enough from me to climb out of the hole this team is under instead of sacking him at the first sign of trouble.

And if we fired him right now? Who realistically is out there, that we can afford can come in and do a better job? The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

With all due respect, knock off sense of entitlement because it'S severely misplaced. Just because of the success we had in the past doesn't mean we should sack managers at the first sign of trouble. We make fun of Spurs all the time for firing managers at the first sign of trouble because their chairman has zero patience and you want to go ahead and do the same thing? No thanks.

And tell me, how all that sacking done for Spurs on the pitch, eh? A couple nice league placing and playing the EL (which many Spurs fans hate playing in for the 2nd straight year). Yeah those changes in mid stream really did them a lot of good.

In fairness @Tubey, that's a fantastic piping down our American friend has done of you there.

Look forward to your response bra.

 

[chicoazul]

A "rough patch" is somewhat different to this. This is now the norm.

It's not sacking him at the first sign either - that would have been early November.

And I wish people would stop the "who's out there?" counter-argument - it's always the same, and the "grass isn't always greener" thing was the first defence of Moyes every single time. I don't know who's out there, but I can guarantee that Moyes and Martinez weren't on the top of the wishlist in hypotheticals either. Life goes on, the club is bigger than the manager.

As for the size of the club mattering, it simply does. You can be Wigan and finish 17th year on year because you're Wigan, and that's the max achievement. You can't drop below 10th with this team at Everton as it's too big a failure to tolerate. That's not entitlement, it's absolute fact.

 

[Allezfan]

"With this team"

Listen, you're spot on that this team is too good to be playing this badly. Martinez is making mistakes, we're playing like we have no faith and no confidence.

It's not acceptable.

But we can still win two trophies and finish in the top ten. It's too early to panic.

We need to turn it around but I honestly think martinez has a better chance of doing that than any manager we can bring in.

Like I said he gets until next autumn, if he can turn it around he'll have done it by then, if not you replace him.

But, lets not pretend that managers like kendall and catterick didn't also have bad patches. You can't be trigger happy with a young manager who's only just got here.

 

[Boss_Blue]

In fairness @Tubey, that's a fantastic piping down our American friend has done of you there.

Look forward to your response bra.

 

[Brad McEachern]

As for the size of the club mattering, it simply does. You can be Wigan and finish 17th year on year because you're Wigan, and that's the max achievement. You can't drop below 10th with this team at Everton as it's too big a failure to tolerate. That's not entitlement, it's absolute fact.

No that's your opinion, not a fact. Just because you said doesn't make it true. Just because of our past accomplishments doesn't mean at the first sign of trouble we have to sack the manager. Spurs does this all the time and it gets them nowhere.

And yes it does matter if you sack a manager, who are you going to replace him with? You want to sack the manager but you don't even know who you want to replace him with. Sorry but that matters because you have to see if there's a actual manager out there who we can afford and can come in here and do a better job then Martinez did. That means being able to guide this team to a 4th or 5th place finish in order to qualify for Europe and make a deep run in the EL because that's the expectations of the fanbase and i'm sorry, but I don't think someone like Neil Warnock, Tony Pulis or Steve McClaren have the mindset to be able to do that.

So yes, it does matter a lot who the replacement is because you can most certainly sack the manager and it can either stay the same or we get relegated with the new manager (it could get better, but I always think worst case scenario)

 

[chicoazul]

No that's your opinion, not a fact. Just because you said doesn't make it true. Just because of our past accomplishments doesn't mean at the first sign of trouble we have to sack the manager. Spurs does this all the time and it gets them nowhere.

And yes it does matter if you sack a manager, who are you going to replace him with? You want to sack the manager but you don't even know who you want to replace him with. Sorry but that matters because you have to see if there's a actual manager out there who we can afford and can come in here and do a better job then Martinez did. That means being able to guide this team to a 4th or 5th place finish in order to qualify for Europe and make a deep run in the EL because that's the expectations of the fanbase and i'm sorry, but I don't think someone like Neil Warnock, Tony Pulis or Steve McClaren have the mindset to be able to do that.

So yes, it does matter a lot who the replacement is because you can most certainly sack the manager and it can either stay the same or we get relegated with the new manager (it could get better, but I always think worst case scenario)

Bradley is laying down some smacketh today. Well in lod.

 

[toffeejack]

The "clique" out in force negging me for this thread haha

Thanks lads, appreciated.

What's the poll result again?

they cliqued the neg button. i thought you were part of the clique - now i have no idea what's going on ha

 

[hktoffee]

Don't know. Don't think McClaren or Pulis are any better.

 

[Tubey]

No that's your opinion, not a fact. Just because you said doesn't make it true. Just because of our past accomplishments doesn't mean at the first sign of trouble we have to sack the manager. Spurs does this all the time and it gets them nowhere.

And yes it does matter if you sack a manager, who are you going to replace him with? You want to sack the manager but you don't even know who you want to replace him with. Sorry but that matters because you have to see if there's a actual manager out there who we can afford and can come in here and do a better job then Martinez did. That means being able to guide this team to a 4th or 5th place finish in order to qualify for Europe and make a deep run in the EL because that's the expectations of the fanbase and i'm sorry, but I don't think someone like Neil Warnock, Tony Pulis or Steve McClaren have the mindset to be able to do that.

So yes, it does matter a lot who the replacement is because you can most certainly sack the manager and it can either stay the same or we get relegated with the new manager (it could get better, but I always think worst case scenario)

If you genuinely think taking this team to a finish outside the top 10 is acceptable, then there's no arguing with you. I just think 99% of Evertonians would disagree with you.

And you keep saying "first sign of trouble", like saying it over and over again will make it true. It won't and it isn't. And once again you use the "who will we replace him with?" argument, which I've already said is tripe that is uttered about EVERY manager in trouble ever. It doesn't wash.