19th January - Everton vs. West Brom

Should Martinez be sacked (if we're 15th or lower come WBA?)

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Tubey said:
If you genuinely think taking this team to a finish outside the top 10 is acceptable, then there's no arguing with you. I just think 99% of Evertonians would disagree with you.

And you keep saying "first sign of trouble", like saying it over and over again will make it true. It won't and it isn't. And once again you use the "who will we replace him with?" argument, which I've already said is tripe that is uttered about EVERY manager in trouble ever. It doesn't wash.
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There's a difference between finishing in the top 10 and finishing in the top 5 and winning it all. Given that you said a club as big like Everton can't tolerate what's being played, then they shouldn't be tolerating top 10 finishing either because with big clubs, success it measured in trophies, not just where you finish. If were going by that argument.

And yes who you replace the manager with is important because we could sack Martinez tomorrow and either nothing changes or get can very well get worse. You can't sack the manager and thinking it will get worst because someone new is in charge. It doesn't work as the manager has to have a plan, he has to be smart enough on how to use the players correctly and put them in a formation where there able to succeed and so on. That may sound easy, but as we have seen with the coaching carousel that is football, that's not the case.
 
Brad McEachern said:
There's a difference between finishing in the top 10 and finishing in the top 5 and winning it all. Given that you said a club as big like Everton can't tolerate what's being played, then they shouldn't be tolerating top 10 finishing either because with big clubs, success it measured in trophies, not just where you finish. If were going by that argument.

And yes who you replace the manager with is important because we could sack Martinez tomorrow and either nothing changes or get can very well get worse. You can't sack the manager and thinking it will get worst because someone new is in charge. It doesn't work as the manager has to have a plan, he has to be smart enough on how to use the players correctly and put them in a formation where there able to succeed and so on. That may sound easy, but as we have seen with the coaching carousel that is football, that's not the case.
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"Oooh I don't think we should sack Walter Smith, I don't think that David Moyes will be much better..."

"Oooh I don't think we should sack David Moyes, I don't think that Roberto Martinez will be much better..."

Every single time. The manager is not bulletproof; if he underperforms, he underperforms. He's not bigger than the club.

You talk about "what ifs" basically - yes, exactly right, it could be a good or bad thing. The reason you change, however, is if you already KNOW what the existing setup is like and you gauge the odds on someone else being more successful to be worth sacking the manager and replacing. No manager of Everton should be automatically considered the best for the job and we should be lucky to have him, and it's this attitude amongst fans that led to Moyes staying a good four years longer than he should have.

You should always be looking to have the right man in charge for the job at hand. If that job ends up being a relegation fight, then that's what the guy in charge needs to be right for.

The first paragraph I can't respond to as you don't make any sense I'm afraid. I'm not saying we're Barcelona.
 
this season is a bit of a one-off imo. he's adding and attracting what already is a great young spine in players like stones, mccarthy, besic, barkley and lukaku - he's been desperately let down by the experienced players though.

yes, his tactics and teams have been wrong etc. - but i would like to blame the quartet of howard, jagielka, distin and barry more. i mean, nobody could have predicted all 4 would have been totally hopeless all season and they have single handedly cost us so many points this season. we've not been playing well outside europe at all this season, but still been doing enough to get wins, but those 4 have continually thrown it away.

martinez can hardly legislate for that especially when their backups are always injured themselves and then the alternative backups have been injured themselves as well. i agree that martinez has got it wrong with the winger situation, but with mirallas' cheesestring hamstrings, mcgeady's 3 or 4 games, atsu's non-existance and pienaar's continual absence and sh*teness when he does play - he's not exactly had much to go on.

i think he is aware players like naismith and barkley don't belong on the wing hence why naismith never played there last season, but he's been dealt a cruel hand this season regarding injuries, sometimes you can't really legislate for that.

people all said they'd take a mid-table finish if he brought us the europa league, this season so far is on tract for that - i won't be complaining at the end of the season if it turns out like that, think it's only fair we give him at least the chance to achieve that.
 
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chicoazul said:
No I meant on here, you made a comparison to here. Who got banned for criticising the manager on here lod?
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Someone was banned here on Friday who was criticising the manager and the players.

He'd been banned before for being a WUM. On closer investigation his facebook and twitter accounts showed he was a ManU fan pretending to be a negative Blue.

Blues being negative is fine, under present circumstances, it's to be expected. Urine takers from other clubs pretending to be Blues will be shown the door though.

Let it end there.
 
if he gets us relegated he deserves to get sacked, no question, i'd stand by that decision. if we go into the last 4 or 5 games with us in a relegation fight i'd still stick with him though, because of that experience.

teams like spurs have got nowhere because they keep overreacting over one bad run or one transitional season - we'd be silly to do that with martinez in my honest opinion, he's a very young manager who already has a league title and an FA Cup under his belt in this country.

we're only half way through the season though, we had so many bad first halves to a season under moyes, but i would have never have liked to see him sacked.
 
Woolly Blue said:
Someone was banned here on Friday who was criticising the manager and the players.

He'd been banned before for being a WUM. On closer investigation his facebook and twitter accounts showed he was a ManU fan pretending to be a negative Blue.

Blues being negative is fine, under present circumstances, it's to be expected. Urine takers from other clubs pretending to be Blues will be shown the door though.

Let it end there.
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@davek :P
 
toffeejack said:
this season is a bit of a one-off imo. he's adding and attracting what already is a great young spine in players like stones, mccarthy, besic, barkley and lukaku - he's been desperately let down by the experienced players though.

yes, his tactics and teams have been wrong etc. - but i would like to blame the quartet of howard, jagielka, distin and barry more. i mean, nobody could have predicted all 4 would have been totally hopeless all season and they have single handedly cost us so many points this season. we've not been playing well outside europe at all this season, but still been doing enough to get wins, but those 4 have continually thrown it away.

martinez can hardly legislate for that especially when their backups are always injured themselves and then the alternative backups have been injured themselves as well. i agree that martinez has got it wrong with the winger situation, but with mirallas' cheesestring hamstrings, mcgeady's 3 or 4 games, atsu's non-existance and pienaar's continual absence and sh*teness when he does play - he's not exactly had much to go on.

i think he is aware players like naismith and barkley don't belong on the wing hence why naismith never played there last season, but he's been dealt a cruel hand this season regarding injuries, sometimes you can't really legislate for that.

people all said they'd take a mid-table finish if he brought us the europa league, this season so far is on tract for that - i won't be complaining at the end of the season if it turns out like that, think it's only fair we give him at least the chance to achieve that.
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It's all about "lines in the sand" I guess. For me, if he picks up four points from the next nine, then this poll is pointless, as for me it wouldn't be justified sacking him and giving him the transfer window to turn it round, as the relegation threat wouldn't be as severe.

But people have different lines. Some have had enough already, and fair enough. Others wouldn't sack him if we were 19th with 8 games to go and, again, that's their prerogative, but all this poll is about is where my line in the sand would be.
 
hktoffee said:
I rather we keep Martinez to be honest. I don't think we will go down. Just a very bad season.
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is right, even the referees seem to be ganging up to offer the opposition points at the moment. regardless of how tosh we've been, we really should be looking at 6 points from our last 2 games if those useless bastards could do their job properly. we're f*cking terrible at the moment, but even we would have found it hard to fail to break down 10 man stoke and hold out against 10 man newcastle.

all fine and dandy though, cisse stayed on the pitch, scored a goal to turn the game but will get his 3 game ban for games that have no relation to us. well done ref, that's alright then, we can all go home happy now
 
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