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Women footballers claims for “equal” pay... when they already get too much.

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Apparently some US women are squabbling over “equal” pay, complaining the US men get more. The standard of women’s football was an abomination (the US women’s team lost to a junior boys team from Dallas), its in its infancy and in all likelihood won’t make the huge stride needed to hit a quality level from a women’s standpoint (like women’s tennis has) but that’s besides the point. They get less money because they generate less, almost 1/80th in World Cup revenue in comparison to the men to be precise ($73 million to $6 billion). The lunacy of such claims cannot spread here (pretty sure it won’t as there isn’t the same degree of ignorance here for it to happen in the media or shysters chancing there arm over anything in the courts). This fella covers it nicely:


In March of this year, The Los Angeles Times publisherd a stinging op-ed that said: “The U.S. women’s soccer team outperforms the men’s team when it comes to victories, domestic viewership, name recognition and general awesomeness. Its members are stars, consistently ranked No. 1 in the world, and they make millions of dollars for their employer, the U.S. Soccer Federation.”

The op-ed goes on to discuss the aforementioned lawsuits and the reasons the ladies should be paid the same figures las the men. However, just like the other commentators, the article misses the point. Yes, the women are indeed “No. 1 in the world,” but they’re number one in women’s sports, which has far fewer fans and plays far fewer games.

Ouch. Continued....

One of the major factors that separate men’s sports and women’s is a not so little thing called revenue. To put it bluntly, female soccer players, just like female basketball players and female hockey players, are paid less because their respective sports make less. The total prize money for the Women’s World Cup in France this July was $30 million; the total prize money for the men’s 2022 World Cup in Qatar will be $440 million.

According to Mike Oznian, a writer for Forbes, the 2015 Women’s World Cup “brought in almost $73 million, of which the players got 13%. The 2010 men’s World Cup in South Africa made almost $4 billion, of which 9% went to the players.” Last year, the men’s World Cup in Russia generated more than $6 billion in revenue; the participating teams shared about $400 million. That is less than 7 percent of overall revenue. Meanwhile, the 2019 Women’s World Cup made somewhere in the region of $131 million, doling out $30 million, well more than 20 percent of collected revenue, to the participating teams. It seems a pay gap does exist, after all.

Precisely, women get too much. Continued..

Lastly, men’s sports, especially men’s team sports, are inherently more entertaining to watch than women’s. Whether it happens to be men’s soccer or basketball, when compared with the female equivalent, the skill levels on show are incomparable.


One of these politicians “Chuck Schumer” has been backing the women on there calls....no doubt with such support for their cause he can testify to being a season ticket holder at his local women’s teams where his presence makes up a tenth of the crowd.

Did you even read the equal pay argument before posting this??? Christ

Who is talking about world football? The US womens team, who are more successful than the men, generate more support than the men and bring in more money than the men, want equal pay with the men whilst on international duty.

They are not going back to Lyon, City, Barca and asking to match the mens weekly wages - its about the US national teams inequality based solely on the fact that they are women.

All the arguments put forward regarding why men should get paid more dont apply here as the womens team win each one.
 
This seems largely reasonable with one tweak: the US Men’s team is very popular but the Women’s is arguably the most successful soccer team ever

The 2015 Women's world cup final was the most watched soccer game in US TV history, this was a larger viewership than every game of the 2015 NBA finals (Cavs-Warriors).
 
Probably fair. I'll withdraw the resentment part.
Your point is fair enough as I probably did come across as a sourpuss. Wasn’t my intention.

I’m 100% behind anyone earning what they deserve, what they are entitled to, not more.

Women’s football is still in its infancy. The England women’s team (which is in its very early stages of development) getting to back to back semi finals of the World Cup shows how low the standard is. The England mens team getting to the same stage in 2018 is light years ahead of that as an achievement, so this “X women’s team is better than Y men’s team for getting further” is a nonsense without context.

The depth/quality of the men’s tournament shows itself in the revenue it generates ($6.1 billion in 2018), the 2015 women’s, $73 million.

I think the most ridiculous example of this in sport is tennis. How on earth can the women’s prize money at Wimbledon be the same as the mens? Equal pay they cry. But they only play 3 sets, so it’s not actually equal at all. Half the matches are over in the time most men’s matches have just completed one set ffs.
Glad you are making that point and not me (the game time argument is a valid one).
 
Your point is fair enough as I probably did come across as a sourpuss. Wasn’t my intention.

I’m 100% behind anyone earning what they deserve, what they are entitled to, not more.

Women’s football is still in its infancy. The England women’s team (which is in its very early stages of development) getting to back to back semi finals of the World Cup shows how low the standard is. The England mens team getting to the same stage in 2018 is light years ahead of that as an achievement, so this “X women’s team is better than Y men’s team for getting further” is a nonsense without context.

The depth/quality of the men’s tournament shows itself in the revenue it generates ($6.1 billion in 2018), the 2015 women’s, $73 million.


Glad you are making that point and not me (the game time argument is a valid one).

Who is talking about the England womens football team? They have never asked for equal pay, in fact they have agreed that the men deserve more, Toni Duggan recently said on the USWNT.

TD: “I have a strong opinion on it and I believe they should be doing it because they’re more successful than their men’s team. Should we be doing it, no, because we don’t bring in the money that the men do, we’re not as successful as them yet, they bring in a lot more money than us commercially and are more successful.

“When people ask me, ‘Should I earn the same money as the men? No I don’t believe I should because they’re on a bigger scale than me, they have more fans, are more popular. I believe the girls should be paid better but not the same as the men. The prize money maybe shouldn’t be the same but if you look at some of it now in some of the competitions and what it’s been previously it’s a disgrace.

The USWNT are doing it because they are better, have more support and bring in more ££££.

Your saying male footballers are entitled to better pay becsuse of x,y and z and when they meet this criteria your outraged??

And what has tennis got to do with it?
 
Oh look, some bored sophist has discovered the difference between absolute and relative measures (welcome to maths 101). You can drink 0.01% cyanide, which is just a wee-bit when mixed with 99.99% water. And why offer your opinion as if it's fact, when it's just your opinion. And why put a politician's name in quotes?

The part that is often missed in this is that the US women generate a lot of revenue for USA Soccer, as stated plainly in point 42 of their lawsuit: 42. The WNT’s success on the field has translated into substantial revenue generation and profits for the USSF. In fact, during the period relevant to this case, the WNT earned more in profit and/or revenue than the MNT.
The US Women are not running there dispute with FIFA they are running it with USSoccer. They make less money from the federation than the US Men's team despite regularly bringing in more revenue to the federation. With the exception of World Cup years (when the men qualify), the women should make more and they don't.

Its honestly not that hard to understand is it. Sounds like someone just has issues with women.... strange
 
One thing lost in this argument is the athlete side of things: these women, like the men, work seriously frickin' hard at what they do. They put in the hours, they sustain injuries, they spend time at training camps away from loved ones/family, they sacrifice for the game they love. This love isn't dependent on gender, nor should the pay be. I've seen this first-hand as my partner was the manager of the US Women's National team for rugby. The athletes on the team--lawyers, Army helicopter pilots, moms, students, etc.,--sacrificed a lot to play the game they love, accepting lower pay than the men for really no good reason, excecpt for a few capitalist turds trying to make the argument that higher viewership = more pay, when in fact it should be equal work = equal pay.
 
One thing lost in this argument is the athlete side of things: these women, like the men, work seriously frickin' hard at what they do. They put in the hours, they sustain injuries, they spend time at training camps away from loved ones/family, they sacrifice for the game they love. This love isn't dependent on gender, nor should the pay be. I've seen this first-hand as my partner was the manager of the US Women's National team for rugby. The athletes on the team--lawyers, Army helicopter pilots, moms, students, etc.,--sacrificed a lot to play the game they love, accepting lower pay than the men for really no good reason, excecpt for a few capitalist turds trying to make the argument that higher viewership = more pay, when in fact it should be equal work = equal pay.
How on earth did the yank women's rugby team come back and beat Canada this week ?
Cost me a few bob that like.
 
One thing lost in this argument is the athlete side of things: these women, like the men, work seriously frickin' hard at what they do. They put in the hours, they sustain injuries, they spend time at training camps away from loved ones/family, they sacrifice for the game they love. This love isn't dependent on gender, nor should the pay be. I've seen this first-hand as my partner was the manager of the US Women's National team for rugby. The athletes on the team--lawyers, Army helicopter pilots, moms, students, etc.,--sacrificed a lot to play the game they love, accepting lower pay than the men for really no good reason, excecpt for a few capitalist turds trying to make the argument that higher viewership = more pay, when in fact it should be equal work = equal pay.

So you pay the American women more and put an even wider gap between them and teams they already beat 13-0 in a world cup. The game has to grow to enable the money to flow, not just one country or it'll become even less of an attraction.
 
So you pay the American women more and put an even wider gap between them and teams they already beat 13-0 in a world cup. The game has to grow to enable the money to flow, not just one country or it'll become even less of an attraction.

I agree on that count. It is also a FIFA issue, who is swimming in money (to the point where corrupt-ahole Sep Blatter has the stones to ask for his bribe-watches back), yet they let each country allot what money they can when many many countries are struggling financially (FIFA does provide some development money, but it's obscure where that money goes--and remember that FIFA spent 29 million on a self-aggrandizing lame movie about themselves that went nowhere!). There is money out there, and it's good to see the US Women trying to fight for some of that pay. If players from other countries have the means to follow their lead, that'd be great for the game, but there are a lot of obstacles in their way.
 
How on earth did the yank women's rugby team come back and beat Canada this week ?
Cost me a few bob that like.

Yeah a big win and a huge rivalry. I suspect the home turf--San Diego has a weird charm on US Women's rugby--was the advantage. Also, just want to note a few things: my partner was the "manager" in the USA sense (not the head coach as in the UK sense), but she was highly involved in all aspects of their game/strategy as her friend Pete was the coach. Also she is no longer involved in the team--she was involved during the France and Ireland/N. Ireland women's world cups (about 6 years total), but now we have a kid so she's "only" focusing her efforts on coaching our University team (which she does for free), apart from being a mom and a uni professor. (<--I'm obviously proud of her)
 
So you pay the American women more and put an even wider gap between them and teams they already beat 13-0 in a world cup. The game has to grow to enable the money to flow, not just one country or it'll become even less of an attraction.

This argument is between the American women and the US soccer federation. It has nothing to do with any other country and their ability.

Plus this happens everywhere in the mens game - better players/teams earn more money yet nobody is trying to stifle them.

Its amazing how peoples views of things are altered on this solely because they are women.
 
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