Why do Evertonians expect success?

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Ah 'The Everton Way'.

But it is though. Duncan Ferguson, Tim Cahill, Tommy Gravesen, Heitinga nudging into Cole... all Everton players who leave memories because of their commitment.

Amazed this thread exists because Evertonians are the literal opposite of glory hunters. The only time we expect success is when the door is wide open and all we need is a bit of ambition and determination to walk through it.

Under Moyes, we very rarely walk through that door.
 

Jesus christ.

The short memories of some is shocking. So frustrating listening to you all **** off our manager.

Yesterday was one of the most gutting performances of the last 10 years, maybe it was Moyes last FA cup game in charge.

I for one will always hold him in high regard from turning us from relegation fodder to European contenders,
 
Jesus christ.

The short memories of some is shocking. So frustrating listening to you all **** off our manager.

Yesterday was one of the most gutting performances of the last 10 years, maybe it was Moyes last FA cup game in charge.

I for one will always hold him in high regard from turning us from relegation fodder to European contenders,

I'll always thank him for putting us in a position to never worry about going down again. At this point though a parting seems best for both IMO.

Our average PL finish was 15th before he came. At the end of this season most likely it'll be 8th. he's made us 7 places and no trophies better. There's been more lows than highs IMO.
 
I'll always thank him for putting us in a position to never worry about going down again. At this point though a parting seems best for both IMO.

Our average PL finish was 15th before he came. At the end of this season most likely it'll be 8th. he's made us 7 places and no trophies better. There's been more lows than highs IMO.

Do you mind me asking how old you are?
 

29 mick, why?

Just wondering.

Seems a lot of the older ones remember the glory days and Mersey millionaires etc and the younger ones live their football lives through Football Manager.

Maybe Moyes has taken as far as he can but dont understand the negativity towards him after all he has done for this club. Someone taking over would inherit a decent squad and a good first 11. If they can work with the budget they'll get and find a few gems it could mean a better future.

My worry is that it could SO easily go back to the crap days of the 90's. We lose Fellaini, Baines, Mirallis and replace with players that dont make the grade we wont have the money to do anything else other than struggle.
 
Jesus christ.

The short memories of some is shocking. So frustrating listening to you all **** off our manager.

Yesterday was one of the most gutting performances of the last 10 years, maybe it was Moyes last FA cup game in charge.

I for one will always hold him in high regard from turning us from relegation fodder to European contenders,

Hes brought it all on himself at the moment Mick.

You know my stance on Moyes.

But hes let himself down, hes let the Club down, but more importantly, hes let me down and when I say me, I mean the fans that give him 100% support.

I dont blame him for yesterday as such, he picked a strong team, CLEARLY the inclusion of Neville turned into an awful idea, but the players let us down yesterday. Anybody with eyes has seen that Osman and Neville is a League Two midfield, Osman is a terrible player, sure he looks good when we are on top, he scores some great goals and on the ball at times hes superb, but when the chips are down, he lacks the sleeves to roll up and Neville, whilst a good leader, has never been good enough to play CM in the Premiership. Sure in the past ive defended him, thats cos hes not always utterly terrible, but you put him with Osman in midfield and I bet most oppo Managers wet themselves.

Fellaini is a sulky narky [Poor language removed] as well and I dont think he relishes the AM postion anymore, it hasnt really been "working" for a few weeks now and the frustration is clearly showing in his play. But Moyes keeps it going cos it worked in August.

Jelavic looks a shadow of the player he was, he had that 1 snapshot that looked dangerous, but most of the time he looked like a dodgy Torres with big ears, he could barely trap a ball.

Even Baines - 9 was awful yesterday, when Leighton Baines plays like Stephen Warnock you know something isnt right.

Clearly this contract issue is playing heavily on some of the players, I honestly didnt think it would, but we have been awful for months now, sure, tiredness could be a factor, but some players have been "rested", banned, injured and im sorry but a week is plenty of time to re-charge batterys, even baring in mind a long Season.

The decision to bring in only Stones in January is quite possibly 1 of the worst things ive seen in the last 11 Years, other windows in the past we havent had money, so you can see why we havent made signings, but its clear we had money and it wasnt spent and now we reap what we sow.

Im not gonna point fingers and I understand the "dont spend for the sake of spending" arguement, but quite frankly David Moyes watches football 24 hours a day and im sure he has a very long list of players he feels would improve us, clearly the whole Fer thing was a major blow, but the January window cost us our Season.

Today I feel quite low, as im sure others do, its gonna take me some time to get over Yesterday.

I know I picked on a few players in this post, mainly Osman, im not blaming any 1 person, collectively Everton has failed, The Chairman, The Manager, The players and to some degree we as fans, yesterday was an FA Cup Quarter Final and we didnt show up, we barely even sang a song, yes its hard to motivate when you have no motivation, but we as fans, we should really have done better.

So im not gonna spend the next week defending Moyes, ripping Osman and pointing to our Net spend, im gonna sit in my dressing gown and drink bleach, whilst watching the everton season review 08 09 on repeat.

IMWT? NSNO?

Everton arent we and we are hurting.
 
I tell you what I expect

Heart,Fight,Drive,Desire and commitment

None of these where shown yesterday


These all mean the same thing. Add "passion", "will" and "motivation" too.

Whatever words we use to describe what was missing yesterday, it was definitely missing. We expect it to be shown in a cup game, especially when the fans, the manager and the players continually state how important it is to try to win the cup.

@OP, if we get that in our games, you'll find a vast reduction of complaints and negativity round here.


We don't expect success itself, but we expect us to strive for it.
 

Jesus christ.

The short memories of some is shocking. So frustrating listening to you all **** off our manager.

Yesterday was one of the most gutting performances of the last 10 years, maybe it was Moyes last FA cup game in charge.

I for one will always hold him in high regard from turning us from relegation fodder to European contenders,

A lot gets taken for granted these days. We've played some absolutely boss footy this year. Last year under Moyes we were apparently completely 100% incapable of doing that according to many. (They HATE it when you remember these things).

He's truly a victim of his early achievements. The cup competition failure we've endured is a massive disappointment and a failure of his (hardly catastrophic though), but sacking the manager over it would be f*cking ridiculous given our financial situation. People get frustrated and get sick of hearing that though. Whatever they say, however, nothing changes and Bill is still in charge. Changing manager will, seeing as we've got arguably the best anywhere at finding bargain buys, surely result, while Bill is here, in a long term erosion of the quality of the squad.

Brendan Rodgers was voted ideal replacement last year on here. Look at the value for money he brought in to that squad in the summer. They're also somehow below us and went out of the cup sooner.
 
The decision to bring in only Stones in January is quite possibly 1 of the worst things ive seen in the last 11 Years, other windows in the past we havent had money, so you can see why we havent made signings, but its clear we had money and it wasnt spent and now we reap what we sow.

Im not gonna point fingers and I understand the "dont spend for the sake of spending" arguement, but quite frankly David Moyes watches football 24 hours a day and im sure he has a very long list of players he feels would improve us, clearly the whole Fer thing was a major blow, but the January window cost us our Season.

I honestly dont think there was money, well not the amounts we were bidding. I think January was a major reason to this slump. My honest opinion is that we bid the money for Fer knowing FULL well his history of knee injuries etc. Got the lad here and then tried to negotiate a del that we could afford. £2m or whatever and the rest in peanuts and cuddles over the next 25 years.

I think that in turn has peeved Moyes off, which in turn has filtered through to the squad that was in desperate need of freshening up and reinvigorating that new signings would have brought.

We are using basically 14 players week in week out. We saw the benefits of that in the beginning of the season but now when everyone is jaded we have nothing to offer in squad rotation.

It still comes back to the same thing time after time after time. We need new ownership- we need money and the tools to be able to generate more money (stadium, commercial expertise etc)

If Moyes was given even £10m a year that wasnt just from self generation through selling players I would be joining in with the majority, he doesnt he has to year after year pull rabbits out of the hat.
 
I'm 20 and can't even remember the FA Cup win. I still expect more when I've seen Boro, Blackburn, Leicester, Birmingham City, Swansea, Portsmouth all win cups and West Ham, Cardiff, Tranmere, Bradford City, Aston Villa among others who I've probably missed in as many finals as us!

well said mate, shared my sentiments exactly. i understand how some could by into the plucky little **** because that's all they've whitnessed, but it's virtually all i've whitnessed but i know our history, and the last 20 years is not what our history is all about. We're a sleeping giant in terms of english football and yet the media will have you believe a team like who won the 1958 FA Cup are bigger.

Now lets go out there and show the ****ing football world what everton is all about. Starting with a new mentality, new players, new style, new manager and smash those manchester beauts all over OUR park next week.

(I WANT MIKE BASSETT AS OUR MANAGER)
 
I honestly dont think there was money, well not the amounts we were bidding. I think January was a major reason to this slump. My honest opinion is that we bid the money for Fer knowing FULL well his history of knee injuries etc. Got the lad here and then tried to negotiate a del that we could afford. £2m or whatever and the rest in peanuts and cuddles over the next 25 years.

I think that in turn has peeved Moyes off, which in turn has filtered through to the squad that was in desperate need of freshening up and reinvigorating that new signings would have brought.

We are using basically 14 players week in week out. We saw the benefits of that in the beginning of the season but now when everyone is jaded we have nothing to offer in squad rotation.

It still comes back to the same thing time after time after time. We need new ownership- we need money and the tools to be able to generate more money (stadium, commercial expertise etc)

If Moyes was given even £10m a year that wasnt just from self generation through selling players I would be joining in with the majority, he doesnt he has to year after year pull rabbits out of the hat.

Sorry mate, but that argument doesn't wash when we've just been thrashed in a cup Quarter-Final at home to relegation strugglers.

Finance has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nor does January. If the manager can't invigorate his side to be up for a game that will see you at Wembley if you win then he has no business being a football manager.
 

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