Why do Evertonians expect success?

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Sad that this question is being asked. Not having a pop at the OP but the fact of how far we've fallen in terms of acceptable standards.
 
EFC78 said:
I will probably get slated for this but something that has really struck me lately is how much a lot of Evertonians are self pitiers who expect success when we have no divine right to get it. It's becoming a trait that is very similar to the Kopites in my opinion.

Yesterday was an absolute disgrace from the players and Moyes but does anyone seriously believe we would have gone on to win the FA Cup? If we had gone through we would have been humiliated by United or City anyway. Both those clubs have spent hundreds of millions of pounds and we just can't compete. Just like we're falling away in the league now. The reason being is that the squad isn't big enough and our players aren't quite as good as we all think they are. We have a few players who are liabilities now, the likes of Neville, Naismith (on the right) and Heitinga, the latter who has been an absolute disgrace this season.

I'm a younger Evertonian who is just about old enough to have seen us win the FA Cup in 95. So to the older Evertonians, posts like these are probably hard to read after some of the triumphs those fans will have seen. I view our club as one of the historical and great clubs in the country but when arguing with fans of other clubs, we just aren't seen as any bigger or better than the likes of Newcastle, Spurs or Villa. We've won more than Spurs in our history but what have we done that's better than them recently? Spurs have just beaten Inter Milan 3-0 at home, something we won't be seeing for a while, if ever again.

It all comes down to money for me and we will never break into the top 4 without any real investment. Moyes has turned us around from relegation candidates to steady top 8 finishers but without spending 20-30m each season to add in a couple more players to the very good first 11 we have, we just won't push on. Nearly every other club around us has that luxury which is why Spurs are constantly breaking into the top 4 and going on European runs and we finish 7th or 8th and crash out of the cup each season.

Having said all that, my main point is that just because we're Everton FC who have done all we have in English Football, why do we have some sort of right to go and win anything? We haven't won a trophy for 18 years because we haven't been/and aren't good enough to win one. With the huge gap in spending between us and the likes of Chelsea, Man United and Man City, how are we supposed to compete? Another thing is that we all cry about how hard we have it. We're still 6th in the league. We have it a lot better than smaller clubs like Stoke and Reading and the clubs that are similar in stature to us like Villa, are going through absolute turmoil at their club. How many quarter/semi finals have Villa or Newcastle etc been in in recent years? How many times have Villa got to go away to Nuremburg, Lisbon etc (yes we got humiliated there too :lol: but at least we got to go).

We need to carry on getting behind the team (like we have done excellently all season by the way - home crowds have been good and away numbers have been unbelievable) and realise that where we are at the moment is realistic for the resources we have got. It could be alot better obviously, but it could also be a lot worse.
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I agree with you in regards to your comments about the league. We don't have the monetary clout to compete in a 38 match season past where we are already.

That being said, the cup is a completely different animal. Anything can happen in a single knock out tournament (as yesterday showed). Winning the League Cup or FA Cup is well within our abilities. Portsmouth won it in 08 for sod's sake! Bradford City reached a cup final. If the league table means anything, we are one of the 8 best teams in the country. We have beaten Man Utd and Man City in one off games. I made peace with the league finish before yesterday but I was well within my rights to believe we could win the cup
 
Of course we expect success - treading water in mid-table may be exceptable for Stoke,Fulham,Norwich etc.. etc but is no existance for us.
We might as well be in league two - than just making the numbers up in the prem - that is why we expect success and we should have a board/manager/team equiped to deliver it.
The sad fact is the more fans who come through who never experienced the 60's, 70's(yes we challenged that decade a few times) and 80's - the more medicority becomes the exceptable benchmark.....
 

EFC78 said:
I'm a younger Evertonian who is just about old enough to have seen us win the FA Cup in 95.
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You can't blame the lad for his mindset, to be fair.

Earliest memories being Relegation/Walter Smith era - since then, he's been fed 'little old Everton, punching above their weight - manager performing miracles' for most of his life.
 
Darth Toffeeman said:
I don't expect success I demand it. I have become so infuriated with football in the last 15 years or so. I look at what Man City have to spend and the success Chelsea and obviously man united have and I want that for Everton again. I was brought up on the motto NSNO and watched Everton win 2 league titles and I am sure we would have won a European Cup too.

I do not accept were we are currently (probably why football makes me so angry these days). Money has ruined it and the current setup at the club has allowed the younger generation, fed by a biased media to believe we are some sort of plucky over achieving club. No we just have **** owners who have taken away any fight we once had. Makes me sick.
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TOTALLY agree with this. +1 rep.

Too many people hide behind the 'be realistic' mantra. Things haven't always been this way, and certainly don't have to be this way in the future. Things are as they are because of board room incompetence and greed, as simple as that.

Lower the asking price of the club and you will find a willing buyer. Use qualified financial experts to find a buyer for you, and they will use their expertise to make sure we don't end up with Pompey/Rangers style owners.

The answers to our problems are ridiculously simple, yet some people just do not want to open their eyes and are too scared of change. Or they are simply too young to know any different and having been fed years of propaganda, have been brainwashed into accepting our current situation as the best it will ever be.
 
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GrandOldTeam said:
You can't blame the lad for his mindset, to be fair.

Earliest memories being Relegation/Walter Smith era - since then, he's been fed 'little old Everton, punching above their weight - manager performing miracles' for most of his life.
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True this. my wifes cousin rushed out and bought the 09 cup final DVD even though we lost, as he was thrilled to have made a cup final. This broke my heart almost as much as losing that dreadful day. He is 18 later this year so has seen us achieve nothing.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
You can't blame the lad for his mindset, to be fair.

Earliest memories being Relegation/Walter Smith era - since then, he's been fed 'little old Everton, punching above their weight - manager performing miracles' for most of his life.
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I'm 20 and can't even remember the FA Cup win. I still expect more when I've seen Boro, Blackburn, Leicester, Birmingham City, Swansea, Portsmouth all win cups and West Ham, Cardiff, Tranmere, Bradford City, Aston Villa among others who I've probably missed in as many finals as us!
 

I was born after the '95 Cup win but I still expect Everton to win something in the time I have been alive.

I've been brought up on stories of us dominating England and Europe at times and that's not what I'm expecting. What I am expecting is a club who fights, not turn over and live with what they have.
 
There are only 3 domestic trophies a year. To win one of them you are either rich with the best players, or lucky. As for cups, one bad performance is game over.
 
Not necessarily about winning a trophy.

Obviously that would be incredible.

But I don't expect it. There are better teams than us.

What I do expect is players and managers to give their everything each and every time they play.

Yesterday was about as far from that as I've ever seen.
 
ijjysmith said:
Not necessarily about winning a trophy.

Obviously that would be incredible.

But I don't expect it. There are better teams than us.

What I do expect is players and managers to give their everything each and every time they play.

Yesterday was about as far from that as I've ever seen.
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Exactly. Phil Neville earned a good three years worth of good grace just from throwing one committed tackle, for example.
 

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