Which managers have progressed us?

[PercyPlant]

I get and agree with that, but also if our budget only allowed an Alcaraz can we really be too mad that our defence went to crap?

He was afforded the best striker anyone under 25 has seen play for the club. Nonsense.

 

[windymiller]

You’ll have to go in to detail on this one. Which of my shout are wrong and why?

Smith, Allardyce and Dyche progressed us according to you. What progression did we see, exactly? All three played dreadful football, signed awful players and left us, at best, no better than when they took over. I would argue we were worse in both personnel, coaching and playing style after they departed. Dyche is the only one of the three that actually saved us from relegation and then, in his final season, had us right back in the mire and we had to be bailed out. Again. All three were part of our lost three decades.

 

[Eggs]

….West Ham v Forest tonight, before Moyes came we were involved in significant games like that.

 

[davek]

Since Howard Kendall’s 2nd spell in charge, which managers or manager do you think have actually improved us from what they took over?
When I say improved I mean by the end of their spell comps to when they joined us.
I’d say there are 6 managers in the past 33ish years, so 6 of 15 permanent managers although Moyes and Kendall did double stints in that period.
Joe Royle
Walter Smith
David Moyes
Sam Allardyce
Carlo Ancelotti
Sean Dyche
And again David Moyes

Some of them are weird shouts, but you have to remember what came before. Even Ancelotti is borderline as he joined after Silva but left us in 11th with a ridiculous wage bill. Some may query Sean Dyche, but only if they forget how bad Lampard was.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

 

[windymiller]

….West Ham v Forest tonight, before Moyes came we were involved in significant games like that.

We were, under Dyche, the third greatest Everton manager of your lifetime, who is involved again in a match like that. Weird, huh?

 

[PercyPlant]

Smith, Allardyce and Dyche progressed us according to you. What progression did we see, exactly? All three played dreadful football, signed awful players and left us, at best, no better than when they took over. I would argue we were worse in both personnel, coaching and playing style after they departed. Dyche is the only one of the three that actually saved us from relegation and then, in his final season, had us right back in the mire and we had to be bailed out. Again. All three were part of our lost three decades.

Are you allowing for what went before? 1-1 draw with Coventry praying Chelsea would put a strong team out at home to Bolton, who had a legitimate goal ruled out earlier that season that would’ve relegated us before the last day? If you think the last day of Lampard was better than the last day of Dyche then my only conclusion is you’ve forgotten the last day of Lampard. Allardyce, found us after we’d lost 5 of opening 8 games (admittedly tough opposition) and had us finishing 8th which we would all accept this season.

At least your response proves I wasn’t on wind up.

 

[Ed_Winchester]

Since Howard Kendall’s 2nd spell in charge, which managers or manager do you think have actually improved us from what they took over?

When I say improved I mean by the end of their spell comps to when they joined us.

I’d say there are 6 managers in the past 33ish years, so 6 of 15 permanent managers although Moyes and Kendall did double stints in that period.

Joe Royle
Walter Smith
David Moyes
Sam Allardyce
Carlo Ancelotti
Sean Dyche
And again David Moyes

Some of them are weird shouts, but you have to remember what came before. Even Ancelotti is borderline as he joined after Silva but left us in 11th with a ridiculous wage bill. Some may query Sean Dyche, but only if they forget how bad Lampard was.

The implosion under Royle was something.
Splurged big money for the time on an ineffective Nick Barmby, and then we were reduced to signing Terry Phelan, Claus Thomsen and Marc Hottiger, before Hamperman baulked at signing a then-unknown Tor Andre Flo.

 

[PercyPlant]

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

The type of response expected. Fair play for living up to standards.

 

[Daytripper]

The implosion under Royle was something.
Splurged big money for the time on an ineffective Nick Barmby, and then we were reduced to signing Terry Phelan, Claus Thomsen and Marc Hottiger, before Hamperman baulked at signing a then-unknown Tor Andre Flo.

He quit on transfer deadline day when everyone thought we were signing Warren Barton

 

[wearethefamousefc]

Bobby brown shoes was immense in his first season. I sometimes wonder if he had a bigger transfer budget to sign proper defenders whether we'd have kicked on. Even in his further seasons we were doing well in the cups and playing good football albeit sporadically.

He had stones and jags CB and a certain Leighton baines at left back.

 

[Efcjake]

Now I know you are trolling us. Goodness me.

Just Ian setting up a fight over Martinez with davek this.

 

[davek]

The type of response expected. Fair play for living up to standards.

How on earth did Smith move things forward after he was appointed?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Smith, Allardyce and Dyche progressed us according to you. What progression did we see, exactly? All three played dreadful football, signed awful players and left us, at best, no better than when they took over. I would argue we were worse in both personnel, coaching and playing style after they departed. Dyche is the only one of the three that actually saved us from relegation and then, in his final season, had us right back in the mire and we had to be bailed out. Again. All three were part of our lost three decades.

Dyche was appointed with us in 19th with our lowest points total in the club's history after 20 league games. We were in a right mess. Sold Anthony Gordon without any replacement as he come in. He kept us up when we were favourites to go down.

After Doucoure/Bournemouth, he said what fans all thought after 2 seasons on the bounce when we relied on last home game to keep us up - that we needed investment.

It never come, we had to make money every window.

After Bournemouth if fans were told we wouldn't spend a bean, and get a hefty points deduction - how many would have given us a prayer after the 2 seasons before it

We earned the points that season, his only full season to finish 12th. It felt like a relegation fight all season largely because of the deduction and the pressure it piled on.

Then come another window - again, we didn't spend a bean. TFG pulled out in July. The wheels come off under Dyche, undoubtedly and he needed to go when he did - weeks after new owners.

But for me, his objective was to keep us a Premier League team until we got new owners.

Objectively, we made good money from the squad and he kept a team up that was 19th after staying up the season before on the final day.

In terms of whether he improved us, objectively he did. There's not many Everton managers we've sacked the past decade that we did so outside the bottom 3 - even Koeman and Silva.

 

[PercyPlant]

The implosion under Royle was something.
Splurged big money for the time on an ineffective Nick Barmby, and then we were reduced to signing Terry Phelan, Claus Thomsen and Marc Hottiger, before Hamperman baulked at signing a then-unknown Tor Andre Flo.

We won the cup and I remember a last minute Nicky Barmby header away at Derby that had Richard Keys talking about us being title contenders, even when he left it was better than Mike Walker making a start to the season that meant we had to wait for the Park End to open for Everton to win a game home or away, which was November of a season.

 

[davek]

Just Ian setting up a fight over Martinez with davek this.

Nah, how could a manager who got us our best ever PL points total, get us to two SFs in domestic cups and have us playing some of the best football we've seen since the 80s get into such an accomplished list like this?