Which managers have progressed us?

[PercyPlant]

How earth did Smith move things forward after he was appointed?

He left us in 16th he took over us after we had to rely on a team in a European final putting a strong team out to beat a team that should’ve beat us after having a legitimate goal ruled out. It’s not hard.

 

[Curtis]

In the past couple of decades I would say just Moyes , as even though we finished 8th several times after he left no one could consistently deliver that position and never built a squad to continue in making progress. Moyes squad when he initially left provided a platform for Martinez which he squandered. I think even last season Moyes was able to make progress over Dyche and now even with some rough patches this season appears more of success than the previous one

 

[Efcjake]

Dyche was appointed with us in 19th with our lowest points total in the club's history after 20 league games. We were in a right mess. Sold Anthony Gordon without any replacement as he come in. He kept us up when we were favourites to go down.

After Doucoure/Bournemouth, he said what fans all thought after 2 seasons on the bounce when we relied on last home game to keep us up - that we needed investment.

It never come, we had to make money every window.

After Bournemouth if fans were told we wouldn't spend a bean, and get a hefty points deduction - how many would have given us a prayer after the 2 seasons before it

We earned the points that season, his only full season to finish 12th. It felt like a relegation fight all season because of the deduction.

Then come another window - again, we didn't spend a bean. TFG pulled out in July. The wheels come off under Dyche, undoubtedly and he needed to go when he did - weeks after new owners.

But for me, his objective was to keep us a Premier League team until we got new owners.

Objectively, we made good money from the squad and he kept a team up that was 19th after staying up the season before on the final day.

In terms of whether he improved us, objectively he did. There's not many Everton managers we've sacked the past decade that we did so outside the bottom 3 - even Koeman and Silva.

He improved us for a season and a half and then it went back to pot.

Yes he didn't get much investment but that squad was capable of much more than he got out of it by the time he left as Moyes waltzed in and shown him up big time.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Nah, how could a manager who got us our best ever PL points total, get us to two SFs in domestic cups and have us playing some of the best football we've seen since the 80s get into such an accomplished list like this?

I think he just rode on the novelty of a new manager after so long of Moyes.

He was very quickly found out and retired to international football prematurely, because his blow smoke up arse management style doesn't work on a weekly basis.

 

[davek]

In the past couple of decades I would say just Moyes , as even though we finished 8th several times after he left no one could consistently deliver that position and never built a squad to continue in making progress. Moyes squad when he initially left provided a platform for Martinez which he squandered. I think even last season Moyes was able to make progress over Dyche and now even with some rough patches this season appears more of success than the previous one

He left Martinez with players who needed to be coached how to pass the ball to each other along the deck.

...something we can see in the last game against Brentford he still hasn't mastered as a coach.

The only reason we're not playing hoofball again this time around under Moyes is because we have a number of players who can carry the ball distances. Otherwise that ball would be coming down with snow on it.

 

[windymiller]

Dyche was appointed with us in 19th with our lowest points total in the club's history after 20 league games. We were in a right mess. Sold Anthony Gordon without any replacement as he come in. He kept us up when we were favourites to go down.

After Doucoure/Bournemouth, he said what fans all thought after 2 seasons on the bounce when we relied on last home game to keep us up - that we needed investment.

It never come, we had to make money every window.

After Bournemouth if fans were told we wouldn't spend a bean, and get a hefty points deduction - how many would have given us a prayer after the 2 seasons before it

We earned the points that season, his only full season to finish 12th. It felt like a relegation fight all season because of the deduction.

Then come another window - again, we didn't spend a bean. TFG pulled out in July. The wheels come off under Dyche, undoubtedly and he needed to go when he did - weeks after new owners.

But for me, his objective was to keep us a Premier League team until we got new owners.

Objectively, we made good money from the squad and he kept a team up that was 19th after staying up the season before on the final day.

In terms of whether he improved us, objectively he did. There's not many Everton managers we've sacked the past decade that we did so outside the bottom 3 - even Koeman and Silva.

I didn't say that Dyche had good resources to work with, I simply baulked at the idea that he "progressed" us. Barring perhaps the worst bottom three teams (collectively) in his final season, he would have relegated us if left in post. As it happened, I suspect he might have just about scraped the points we needed had he not been sacked. Personally, taking us over on the verge of relegation and then leaving us on the verge of relegation with a subjectively worse squad (I agree that wasn't his fault) doesn't represent progress. I would argue against your use of the word objectively in the post above because it is only objective under a subjective grading scale.

 

[Ed_Winchester]

We won the cup and I remember a last minute Nicky Barmby header away at Derby that had Richard Keys talking about us being title contenders, even when he left it was better than Mike Walker making a start to the season that meant we had to wait for the Park End to open for Everton to win a game home or away, which was November of a season.

The cup win was followed by by the Kanchelskis season which was one of the most enjoyable seasons in a long time, even if we missed out on European football on the last day of the season, and Koeman did us over in the Cup Winners Cup.
The season after was such a mess. Signed Gary Speed and everything looked set for progress, but I always thought Barmby unbalanced the team and once Kanchelskis “lost interest”, we were a mess.
Finished up with Waggy as caretaker, giving debuts to Michael Ball, John Hills and playing Rideout as a central defender against Spurs?!

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He improved us for a season and a half and then it went back to pot.

Yes he didn't get much investment but that squad was capable of much more than he got out of it by the time he left as Moyes waltzed in and shown him up big time.

He didn't get any investment mate. We had to make a profit every window. As an indication - last summer we spent more than the 7 seasons combined.

We'd have all snapped hands off for Dyche to keep us up that first season. Likewise to keep us up after no spend and a season deduction.

It went stale, that's football. Half the team he had was on loan or leaving that summer and knew he wasn't getting a contract under new owners TFG.

Dyche was a symptom of the chaos of Moshiri. Im just glad we managed to stay up until we got new owners and investment.

 

[davek]

I think he just rode on the novelty of a new manager after so long of Moyes.

He was very quickly found out and retired to international football prematurely, because his blow smoke up arse management style doesn't work on a weekly basis.

He was found out primarily because we needed better players to move on after the second season - because even before that first season ended we were being found out by teams pressing us successfully: to counter that you needed better players to resist that press.

We had Kenwright offering not much for transfers and so Martinez's downfall here was guaranteed.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He was found out primarily because we needed better players to move on after the second season - because even before that first season ended we were being found out by teams pressing us successfully: to counter that you needed better players to resist that press.

We had Kenwright offering not much for transfers and so Martinez's downfall here was guaranteed.

Disagree mate. If he had anything about him he wouldn't have took semi retirement and a cowardly easy life route to international football at the age he did.

 

[Efcjake]

He didn't get any investment mate. We had to make a profit. As an indication - last summer we spent more than the 7 seasons combined.

We'd have all snapped hands off for Dyche to keep us up that first season. Likewise to keep us up after no spend and a season deduction.

It went stale, that's football. Half the team he had was on loan and knew he wasn't getting a contract under new owners TFG.

Dyche was a symptom of the chaos of Moshiri. Im just glad we managed to stay up until we got new owners and investment.

I was fine with the job Dyche did until his last season.

He improved us from what he took over but he didn't leave us much better off and there was much more he could have gotten out of that team which Moyes demonstrated.

The fella begged for the sack and a pay off instead of resigning and I do hold that against him. You come to the board and say you can't do the job but won't resign and want your wages paying up? Shameless Tory behaviour.

 

[Douglas Maclure]

He improved us for a season and a half and then it went back to pot.

Yes he didn't get much investment but that squad was capable of much more than he got out of it by the time he left as Moyes waltzed in and shown him up big time.

 

[davek]

Disagree mate. If he had anything about him he wouldn't have took semi retirement and a cowardly easy life route to international football at the age he did.

I'm not sure the pressure of carrying the hopes of two very decent football nations on his shoulders is hiding behind the couch, tbh.

 

[canuckblue]

Strictly as managers, only Catterick, Kendall (first), Royle and Moyes (first and current).

 

[Eggs]

We were, under Dyche, the third greatest Everton manager of your lifetime, who is involved again in a match like that. Weird, huh?

….yep, always stand-by that statement, arguably the 3rd greatest achievement by any Everton manager. Case set out in detail in its own thread at the time and received multiple support.

No doubt Moyes significantly improved the same squad, though. Always be thankful to Dyche, right man at the right time but Moyes clearly improved matters.