Which managers have progressed us?

[GrandOldTeam]

I was fine with the job Dyche did until his last season.

He improved us from what he took over but he didn't leave us much better off and there was much more he could have gotten out of that team which Moyes demonstrated.

The fella begged for the sack and a pay off instead of resigning and I do hold that against him. You come to the board and say you can't do the job but won't resign and want your wages paying up? Shameless Tory behaviour.

To be fair, if I was him I'd have invited sacking too. It needed doing. He was never getting a new deal and players, over half starting had months on their Everton deal, had given up under him and his nuts and bolts.

I think he was right that the club needed a new voice then. A shame though, as TFG hoped to string him along until the summer to get a preferred replacement which wasn't David Moyes.

 

[PercyPlant]

The cup win was followed by by the Kanchelskis season which was one of the most enjoyable seasons in a long time, even if we missed out on European football on the last day of the season, and Koeman did us over in the Cup Winners Cup.
The season after was such a mess. Signed Gary Speed and everything looked set for progress, but I always thought Barmby unbalanced the team and once Kanchelskis “lost interest”, we were a mess.
Finished up with Waggy as caretaker, giving debuts to Michael Ball, John Hills and playing Rideout as a central defender against Spurs?!

I remember all of that, I’d still say it was better than Mike Walker, which is the point of the thread.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Bobby brown shoes was immense in his first season. I sometimes wonder if he had a bigger transfer budget to sign proper defenders whether we'd have kicked on. Even in his further seasons we were doing well in the cups and playing good football albeit sporadically.

No

 

[Efcjake]

To be fair, if I was him I'd have invited sacking too. It needed doing. He was never getting a new deal and players, over half starting had months on their Everton deal, had given up under him and his nuts and bolts.

I think he was right that the club needed a new voice then. A shame though, as TFG hoped to string him along until the summer to get a preferred replacement which wasn't David Moyes.

So he should have walked then.

Not this "I can't do the job but pay me to get off" thing he did.

 

[PercyPlant]

The Martinez argument is utter nonsense, but we’re reliving it right now in real time, look at how RS fans feel about Slot even after he won the league. Slot is to Klopp what Martinez was to Moyes, unless he goes on to recover this position which Martinez never did or could.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I'm not sure the pressure of carrying the hopes of two very decent football nations on his shoulders is hiding behind the couch, tbh.

He was negotating and took semi retirement at 42 years old.

10 years later and hes still there.

Wise move, because he would have ended up way down the football pyramid.

So he should have walked then.

Not this "I can't do the job but pay me to get off" thing he did.

Not for me mate, that doesn't happen - certainly not in football. I think his limited style relies more than most on buy in - the circumstances dictated that had gone. No player is tolerating the haaaaard yards when they know theyre off, and the manager is in a few months. I think he'll struggle at Forest too, as players there know Silva is replacing him. He had to go, and TFG should have made that call - though I'm sympathetic to them hoping to get their man in the summer.

Think perhaps detracting from the point of the thread, but for me, in terms of day one and the day he left, all considered he definitely progressed us. His objective was to keep the club up until new owners and he did that.

 

[Efcjake]

He was negotating and took semi retirement at 42 years old.

10 years later and hes still there.

Wise move, because he would have ended up way down the football pyramid.



Not for me mate, that doesn't happen - certainly not in football. I think his limited style relies more than most on buy in - the circumstances dictated that had gone. No player is tolerating the haaaaard yards when they know theyre off, and the manager is in a few months. I think he'll struggle at Forest too, as players there know Silva is replacing him. He had to go, and TFG should have made that call - though I'm sympathetic to them hoping to get their man in the summer.

Think perhaps detracting from the point of the thread, but for me, in terms of day one and the day he left, all considered he definitely progressed us. His objective was to keep the club up until new owners and he did that.

Sorry I'm not going to give him any respect for saying he can't do the job and then sticking his hand out for the pay off when they sacked him for it. It's shameless.

I look forward to him trying it with Marinakis.

He did improve us initially but he left us facing yet another battle to stay up. Not much improvement there imo.

 

[RichCee123]

Bobby brown shoes was immense in his first season. I sometimes wonder if he had a bigger transfer budget to sign proper defenders whether we'd have kicked on. Even in his further seasons we were doing well in the cups and playing good football albeit sporadically.

Don’t waste too much time wondering that. He chose Alcaraz and Funes Mori and rejected Van Dik and Robertson.
Bought Niasse, Rodriguez and scouted Geads for years apparently

 

[Bluepablo]

Think Dyche did well for a season & half. He is limited but is very good at what he does. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was just burnt out in that last season as he was trying to motivate the team & the club with no management support, selling players, points deductions, the club on the brink of bankruptcy. I thought he was remarkably positive throughout.

Contrast with Moyes at Sunderland & his, it will be a miracle if I keep the team up, the players are so bad.

Dyche is better in the bottom tier, Moyes in the middle tier.

 

[PercyPlant]

Don’t waste too much time wondering that. He chose Alcaraz and Funes Mori and rejected Van Dik and Robertson.
Bought Niasse, Rodriguez and scouted Geads for years apparently

Yep, Martinez was worse than pretty much all of them, to take a solid top 6 team to 13th (when he left) was absolutely devastating. Context is always required, but it’s close between him, Lampard and Benitez who did the worst job. Some may laugh at the Benitez shout. But he rocked up during a period where he had a summer with on 1.5m to spend. Yes he then wasted 20+m on Patterson and Mykelenko, but were the his signings like Niasse and Mcgeady were Martinez’ signings? Not sure.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

You just forget about Fat Samuel ..and some arlass reminds us..ffs.

 

[PercyPlant]

You just forget about Fat Samuel ..and some arlass reminds us..ffs.

Did a better job than most.

 

[davids]

Agree with your list - apart from Allardyce. I think the money we spent under him that January in Tosun and Walcott did more damage than good.

In the long run,but short term the few goals that came from them won us important points.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Did a better job than most.

Wasn't hard to be honest...
He done the job required.
No chance of him staying longer than he did.

 

[PercyPlant]

Wasn't hard to be honest...
He done the job required.
No chance of him staying longer than he did.

Agree. Also agree with his sacking, but as I’ve said, context is always important.