when will moyes learn

[Neiler]

True to say we should be expecting to beat, Stoke, Bolton and Wolves - with a full squad we probably would.

But cant help but feel an en masse disrespect to these teams. To be fair they deserved their points against us. Each has proved a difficult nut to crack for almost all teams this season - instead of going by teams names or what we did to them last year we should really be judgeing it on how they are playing this season, each of these teams are all good sides capable of taking points of themajority of teams and giving a game to anyone.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

So, if injuries can't be hold responsible for the results, why do we need investment? The name Everton should be enough to get you a victory, no matter who we put out there. That at least is the impression I'm getting reading some of the posts on here.

I hate the current situation as much as everyone else, but let's keep a dose of realism.

 

[Vim Fuego]

So, if injuries can't be hold responsible for the results, why do we need investment? The name Everton should be enough to get you a victory, no matter who we put out there. That at least is the impression I'm getting reading some of the posts on here.

I hate the current situation as much as everyone else, but let's keep a dose of realism.

I will never accept defeat to a pub team like Bolton,we were shocking for the majority of the first half, a better team would have ripped us to shreds, mediocracy should never be acceptable, i expect a high standard of football as a fan, failing that 100 % commitment will suffice, but today, as on others lately, both attributes have been sadly lacking.

 

[bluebastardo]

Tim Howard
Tony Hibbert
John Heitinga
Sylvain Distin
Lucas Neil
Dan Gosling
Jack Rodwell
Tim Cahill
Jo
Louis Saha
Marouane Fellaini

Seamus Coleman

Injuries or no injuries, that's still quite a team to put out and one we'd expect to fair better, especially when you look at how many international players we have in that team.

 

[Brock63]

So, if injuries can't be hold responsible for the results, why do we need investment? The name Everton should be enough to get you a victory, no matter who we put out there. That at least is the impression I'm getting reading some of the posts on here.

I hate the current situation as much as everyone else, but let's keep a dose of realism.

Okay Dutch Toffee...I have just been looking at the "official" site and here is part of Moyes's response to the latest defeat.

"And that's not the reason we lost (Talking about Goslings attempt"). We didn't defend properly and we didn't do the things that stop you losing games. Because of that we have ended up losing it. They have been told - you don't play like that and play for Everton.

"So it is up to them (the players) to sort it out now. I will help them and coach them and work with them - but at the end of the day they are the ones who cross the white line and they need to roll their sleeves up. I'll protect them, I'll protect their performances. But if they don't do basic things like head the ball and defend set-pieces, which they practice and work on - then it is themselves they need to look at."


Good response.......'Nuff said.

 

[Muggins]

Tim Howard
Tony Hibbert
John Heitinga
Sylvain Distin
Lucas Neil
Dan Gosling
Jack Rodwell
Tim Cahill
Jo
Louis Saha
Marouane Fellaini

Seamus Coleman

Injuries or no injuries, that's still quite a team to put out and one we'd expect to fair better, especially when you look at how many international players we have in that team.

My thoughts exactly when i saw the team sheet.

I couldn't beleive we were 2-0 down....shocker...

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Tim Howard
Tony Hibbert
John Heitinga
Sylvain Distin
Lucas Neil
Dan Gosling
Jack Rodwell
Tim Cahill
Jo
Louis Saha
Marouane Fellaini

Seamus Coleman

Injuries or no injuries, that's still quite a team to put out and one we'd expect to fair better, especially when you look at how many international players we have in that team.

Looks fairly good on paper, but badly lacking any sort of creativity.

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

Okay Dutch Toffee...I have just been looking at the "official" site and here is part of Moyes's response to the latest defeat.

"And that's not the reason we lost (Talking about Goslings attempt"). We didn't defend properly and we didn't do the things that stop you losing games. Because of that we have ended up losing it. They have been told - you don't play like that and play for Everton.

"So it is up to them (the players) to sort it out now. I will help them and coach them and work with them - but at the end of the day they are the ones who cross the white line and they need to roll their sleeves up. I'll protect them, I'll protect their performances. But if they don't do basic things like head the ball and defend set-pieces, which they practice and work on - then it is themselves they need to look at."


Good response.......'Nuff said.

Too right Davey. This is why it annoys me that people are blaming you, there's too many charlies in that team at the moment taking absolutely no responsibility. Needs to stop.

 

[TsarDiniyar]

moyes ****ed about ith the lescott deal
signed heitinga and neill who can't play in europe
he picks the team yet doesn't rotate the squad
he picked hibbo at cb on thursday then lb today
he plays a 442 team when we don't have the quality
he plays cahill out of position for most of the season
he risks saha when we are 4-0 down

so yes i would say its moyes fault

They're ineligible as they were signed after the Europa league squad was submitted to Uefa, they will play in the knockout stages (if we advance).

Anyone who thinks Moyes is 100% blameless for our performances either this year, or last year for that matter is being far too protective.

He is the manager, and the buck stops with him, whether it's a 6-1 defeat against Arsenal or the team bus breaking down on the M62.

When we have success, he is the one that gets the applause.
When we lose, it is he that gets the stick.

You can't have it both ways.

Directly, we can't blame Moyes for our injuries, but indirectly he should be taking a very close look at what is happening on the training pitch, and physiotherapy room, and why it is Everton that are having so many injuries.

We can blame him for the preseason unrest, and we can blame him for 2 bad starts to a season in succession.

We can blame him for the way he picks the team, and the way he rotates the squad, and his lack of ideas when it comes to turning games around.

We can blame him for not getting more players in to bolster the squad like he did with Neil.

That's his job, and the buck stops with him.

He can only do so much with the bare bones of a squad though, so though we can blame him, we must also show a little sympathy towards his position.

The guy, and the players he manages earn an absolute fortune to do what they do, so no way will I paint them all whiter than white like some do.

Good post that mate. I would not for one minute want him to leave, BUT, he has plenty of flaws. I've always maintained that his loyalty to certain players and waiting for a game to change before making subs instead of changing the game himself are the two that really rile me. The first of them two points obviously dont apply of late as he has no choice in who he plays.

I havent seen todays game yet so I don't know if this applies.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Tim Howard
Tony Hibbert
John Heitinga
Sylvain Distin
Lucas Neil
Dan Gosling
Jack Rodwell
Tim Cahill
Jo
Louis Saha
Marouane Fellaini

Seamus Coleman

Injuries or no injuries, that's still quite a team to put out and one we'd expect to fair better, especially when you look at how many international players we have in that team.

Look at the key word though mate.

Notice how we achieved better results over the years with a way worse looking line up on paper than that one.

Its not as simple as putting 11 players on the pitch and expecting them to produce as a team.

There's about 4-5 players in that line up who should not of been playing where they were.

You could put 2 world class centre backs together for the first time but they could be worse than 2 good but not brillaint individuals who combine to make a better defensive unit.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Okay Dutch Toffee...I have just been looking at the "official" site and here is part of Moyes's response to the latest defeat.

"And that's not the reason we lost (Talking about Goslings attempt"). We didn't defend properly and we didn't do the things that stop you losing games. Because of that we have ended up losing it. They have been told - you don't play like that and play for Everton.

"So it is up to them (the players) to sort it out now. I will help them and coach them and work with them - but at the end of the day they are the ones who cross the white line and they need to roll their sleeves up. I'll protect them, I'll protect their performances. But if they don't do basic things like head the ball and defend set-pieces, which they practice and work on - then it is themselves they need to look at."


Good response.......'Nuff said.

I know we didn't defend properly. In fact I saw it with my own eyes. Still don't agree with the [Poor language removed] mentality though. We're a team very low on confidence right now and that will affect the team spirit. We need to get that sorted as soon as possible, but to say we have a divine right to beat Bolton, no matter what the injury list looks like, doesn't do it for me.

 

[Vim Fuego]

I know we didn't defend properly. In fact I saw it with my own eyes. Still don't agree with the [Poor language removed] mentality though. We're a team very low on confidence right now and that will affect the team spirit. We need to get that sorted as soon as possible, but to say we have a divine right to beat Bolton, no matter what the injury list looks like, doesn't do it for me.

No one said we have a divine right to beat Bolton, what i'm saying is you need 100% commitment from the players in fixtures like this, and today there was none, that's what i find totally unacceptable.That team was and ius good enough to beat them, but without the commitment and work ethic then you end up with mediocracy, and thats a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[Brownie]

We aren't winning the games that are decided by a single goal any more, that is what we've been good at under Moyes. As a general rule those kind of games are decided by desire, concentration and will to win, we just don't have that at the moment. If you take away those kind of results from our season, there isn't an awful lot there.

 

[TsarDiniyar]

We miss our little Magician

 

[TsarDiniyar]

no i dont mean Osman