What if Moyes had today's budgets?

[Tel001]

His ability to identify talent was never in question. He'd identified Lukaku and Hazard earlier in their careers before Chelsea but close the deals due to lack of funds.

With today's cash in his hand wed have won something.

And Czech and easien

 

[DrBungle]

Didn't the miserable git put some players off with his demeanour? No end of money would sort that out.

D’our the new fragrance by Moyes

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

We had the 7th largest wage budget when Moyes was here. We still have the 7th largest wage budget.

And we still spend less on transfer on fees than the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd.

Things haven't exactly changed dramatically on the money front. We might have slightly more money than we did ten years ago, but so does everyone else.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

I think Moyes is managing in the wrong generation now. His old school ways seemed to work with yesterday's heroes

Please don’t compare crabs like Barry and McCarthy to genuine talented midfielders like Arteta Pienaar Cahill.

Gareth Barry - Came in and worked his socks off in 2013/14 announcing himself against Chelsea with a block. Premiership winner

James McCarthy - One of his best seasons 2013/14. Completely controlled the midfield and didn't stop working.

 

[Dylan]

Moyes would never win anything because his own inbuilt negativity would always prevent him for going all the way in any competition. We were the better side in the 09 FA cup final and the 2012 semi final but Moyes and his negative tactics were directly responsible for us losing on both occasions. He can do a great job at building a side and making them tough to beat and best of the rest if he's given time which for a lot of clubs isn't somthing to be sniffed at. I'll always be greatful for his first seven years here while he tighted up the ship and gave the club it's dignity back but I'll always hold him responsible for holding is back in his final three to four years because he refused to evolve. He'll never change and all the money in the world wouldn't make any difference. He knows were his level and doesn't have the bottle to ever go further.

Man, its been a while, but I don't remember it like that. I seem to remember Malouda (? maybe someone else) tearing Hibbert a new one for the whole first half and he had to replace him with Jacobssen. We really weren't the better team.

 

[Groucho]

Man, its been a while, but I don't remember it like that. I seem to remember Malouda (? maybe someone else) tearing Hibbert a new one for the whole first half and he had to replace him with Jacobssen. We really weren't the better team.

Yeah I thought Chelsea had the better of us that day too.

Although the team of that time deserved to win something.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Man, its been a while, but I don't remember it like that. I seem to remember Malouda (? maybe someone else) tearing Hibbert a new one for the whole first half and he had to replace him with Jacobssen. We really weren't the better team.

Might have somthing to do with Moyes's decision to make us sit back on the 1-0 lead. Pure negativity, had we not scored that early goal, his tactics would of been to play for 0-0. We had all the momentum going into that cup final and Moyes was directly responsible for us losing it.

 

[ijjysmith]

Everyone else would have had more money though mate.

I believe the Woolly one has nailed it here.

 

[Papa Shango]

Could have been interesting if moyes had Lukaku on one of his last seasons

Doubtful as when he was doing commentary on one of our games he said the best way to use it was to hit it long so he can win headers which is totally not his game.

 

[msb]

We would have remained hovering around 4/5/6 in the league. he had neither the ability or mental strength to deal with big games. He was very often tactically naive in the extreme. Granted he could spot good talent and could organise a defence.

 

[Bluebonic]

I would still employ moyesey as scout for lower league gems! He had a good eye for that I reckon, but he was far too hesitant to be anything better than he was when we had him, fortune or not! At the end of the day th man carries an inferiority complex within him, that eventually spills out into his tactics etc?

Capable of some wonderful stuff in spells, but ultimately a perennial faller at the last fence!

 

[davek]

He wasn't backed properly by the United board in the transfer market, unlike LVG, who was backed, given more time, because of his reputation, and still failed.

Wether Moyes was good enough to turn them around is open to debate but I think it's pretty obvious that he wasn't given the same chance to succeed as LVG and that plays a massive part.

Lesser respected managers aren't afforded as much time as 'big' names and aren't given the same resources to spend on transfers, so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy in one way, regardless of talent.

If he was given the same level of support as LVG, then it's fair enough to write him off as not being up to it, but when he isn't, it's pointless judging him in the same way. Problem is too many people look for confirmation bias, to back up what they 'want' to believe, rather than the truth.

The reason Moyes spent £67M in his only season there and not the £107M that LVG spent in his first season is because he bolloxed up the summer transfer window and dithered so much he couldn't get his players in. He denied himself that resource.

But besides that, he inherited the best players in the land: United where champions and by 11 clear points from the previous season. He had class at his disposal and finished them 6th.

That answers all the questions on whether Moyes could do better with greater quality players then he had at Everton when he was here.

 

[DualityNSNO]

The reason Moyes spent £67M in his only season there and not the £107M that LVG spent in his first season is because he bolloxed up the summer transfer window and dithered so much he couldn't get his players in. He denied himself that resource.

But besides that, he inherited the best players in the land: United where champions and by 11 clear points from the previous season. He had class at his disposal and finished them 6th.

That answers all the questions on whether Moyes could do better with greater quality players then he had at Everton when he was here.

He didn't.

He inherited a close knit squad that Fergie made winners because he's Fergie, it's what he's always done to them. Moyes inherited an average squad and did as he always will - average.

Either way, he'd do about the same as he always did here, undermine us and our chances and resources and everything, sign someone for stupid money in the last 17 seconds of the window because of that damn fax machine Everton use, finish gloriously 7th, release a DVD, and we'd get a thrilling barely 1:1 with Chelsea or something as the highlight of the season.

 

[davek]

He didn't.

He inherited a close knit squad that Fergie made winners because he's Fergie, it's what he's always done to them. Moyes inherited an average squad and did as he always will - average.

Either way, he'd do about the same as he always did here, undermine us and our chances and resources and everything, sign someone for stupid money in the last 17 seconds of the window because of that damn fax machine Everton use, finish gloriously 7th, release a DVD, and we'd get a thrilling barely 1:1 with Chelsea or something as the highlight of the season.

"Average". Lol.

He inherited the champions of England and then cratered them.

There's no getting round that when considering the proposition of the OP.

 

[DualityNSNO]

"Average". Lol.

He inherited the champions of England and then cratered them.

There's no getting round that when considering the proposition of the OP.

He had the impossible task of doing as well as Fergie, which was never going to happen.

He also had about 10 players age 30+ or basically finished, and about the same amount of players who now play in lower leagues or for crap teams. Absolute coincidence, isn't it, that LVG then said that this squad needs refreshing and binned/signed about 25 thousand players?

There absolutely is getting round that. I know you absolutely despise him, but see through your anger for one second.