Were we ever this bad....

[Nyhus]

Anyone wanting Martinez back needs to watch our game against Hull with him as manager. Dreadful.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Pep has £2 billion to play with; Martinez had 2 bob.

2 bob Bob
That'll make a change from
Brown shoes
Fraud
Sunbed
Clown
Etc etc

 

[degsy]

Under Martinez..

Yes. I'll admit.. the amount of one sided defeats hurt.

But games Vs teams outside of the top6 were never really much of a concern as to what everton would turn up?

I remember bobby saying he would rather get beat by playing the football he wanted....rather than win 1-0 a la allardyce tactics

Question is.... What would you rather have now we know what life has been like without him.

Moyes, Martinez, Koeman, Unsworth, Allardyce...what ever small positives they may or may not have had are all out weighed by their many negatives.
You could add nearly everybody from Moshiri down to that list too.
Do other poor performing clubs supporters have this degree of angst...or is it just us...or me

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's all relative isn't it? We are playing way below the level these players should be capable of, yet are still in the top half and not far off a European slot. So in absolute terms, we've had much worse teams than this, but those teams were generally full of yard dogs for whom we couldn't expect any better. The current squad has some very good players, we have a super crop of young talent and the struggles are very painful to watch.

 

[Abraders]

Martinez couldn’t organise a defence with Coleman , Baines ( in his prime ) and a young JOHN Stones plus Jagelkia.
The man was a delusional fool
He was found out at Wigan , at Everton , at the Euros with Belgium and he will be found out at the WC

A young John Stones who was actually decent. All Martinez really needed was to swallow some pride and hire a defensive coach to sure things up.

He bought Mori who was sound, but otherwise relied on Alcaraz ew

 

[SiEdmo]

I wish that were true and I didn't keep having the Moyes flashbacks of hoofed 70 yard diagonals for 90 minutes.

Under Martinez we witnessed football again. An 18 month period bookended by utter dross from Messrs Moyes, Koeman and Allardyce.

Yanno how I know Sam needs to be sacked right now, this is the first time ive read this same post from you @davek in like 2 years of repeating it, and finally I almost agree

bring back bobby over these shower on con men

 

[TraffordBlue]

Yeah too much modern thinking here, the question was "ever" - so in the early 50s when we were relegated, yes we must have been relatively worse. Under Billy Bingham, Gordon Lee, Mike Walker, Walter Smith - we were definitely worse. Under Moyes at times, under Martinez at times under Koeman at times - we were worse. Even under Kendall (II and III), there were times when we stank the place out. However under all of those managers and no matter how bad we were, there was some sort of team spirit and mostly you could hardly fault the effort of players.

Of late, the passive nature of our team is such that there is no team spirit evident, there is no commitment to the shirt/badge/club and we are on a treadmill of mediocrity. None of the players we signed have been mediocre for the clubs they came from - so the problem lies elsewhere.

Allardyce is an abomination on our club and should never have been appointed - but my views on that sack of **** are well known. He has come in to achieve survival, let's be honest we were never going to be relegated. The club had a panic and we have created our own monster. Sooner he is gone, the better.

Let's move on.

This terrible attitude developed under Martinez which saw him get the sack, and was a travesty to be honest. No matter what they thought of him, their attitude and lack of respect for the club paying their wages and the fans was a disgrace. The players gave up, including Lukaku who was on about 18 goals in February/March and in the hunt to be the leagues top scorer. Tells us all we need to know about his attitude and is probably why he is still receiving criticism after moving. Also in that squad, and despite me having a lot of respect for his professionalism for most of his career was Gareth Barry, whose just disgraced himself whilst West Brom are facing relegation, and Ross Barkley who ran down his contract and used the club he supports to get rehabilitated, and then get a move to Chelsea.

They are just some of the 'bad eggs' that were in our squad recently and we still have the likes of Mirallas and Schneiderlin who are still officially at the club and have shown contempt towards it.

Things were so bad under Martinez that we took 700 fans to Sunderland where we got taken apart 3-0. They still have players from that side who humiliated us 3-0 playing now with them bottom of the Championship, facing relegation to League One - O'Shea, Cattermole, Kone.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

God no! Has this club really fallen so low that we happily embrace mediocrity like that?! Everyone knows what an utter disaster this season has been but in terms of league wins we're on course to win about the same amount as we managed in either 14-15 or 15-16, which was a pathetic twelve on both occasions. Im completly at a loss as to why Martinez is being held up as an example of anything other then faliure. It seems a sizeable number of our fanbase are happy to except mediocrity providing they can gloss it over by the side occasionally reach the quarter or even semi-final (be still my fluttering hart!) of a cup even if we get flattened in said game.

Obviously I understand why people are desperate for a major positive changes at the club but why people think Martinez would of been the answer is beyond me. To think that some are actually pining after a guy who delivered humiliating defeat after humiliating defeat when here, it would be funny if it wasn't so unbelievably tragic.

 

[Thomasc]

Moyes was the best of the last 20 years. Not saying he was a great manager, just the right man at the right time for us and his passion and eye for a bargain was enough to turn us from relegation candidates every year to top 6 most years under his tenure.

Martinez was lucky to inherit that team and by adding Lukaku, Barry and McCarthy it resulted in a fantastic season but one he was destined never to emulate, if anything he took it backwards.

He was as they say “all fart and nae 5hite” and completely clueless, which is why Wigan were relegated under him.

I have said time and time again, any team can have a run in the cups, you are judged on your league form.

 

[Khalekan]

Martinez couldn’t organise a defence with Coleman , Baines ( in his prime ) and a young JOHN Stones plus Jagelkia.
The man was a delusional fool
He was found out at Wigan , at Everton , at the Euros with Belgium and he will be found out at the WC

You are allowing your hatred of Bobby to cloud your memory, Bri.

Bobby was not in charge of Belgium in the Euros

 

[Gwladys Nights]

"Don't let it be forgot, that once there was a spot, for one brief, shining moment, that was known as Camelot."

Everton season 2013/14 - the best since Kendall's first period in charge.

Please dont mention Martinez in relation to Samosaurus, it's like comparing Joy Division to Chaz and Dave.

It was brilliant that year wasn't it. Wonder what might have been if we'd managed to hold on to 4th place that year.

 

[diggerdestroyer]

Martinez football last season was utter dribble as well. It was possession sideways rubbish so to me there is not much of a difference in the way we have played under 4 managers last 4 seasons. Its the tital lack of intensity on and off the ball. We play much too slow and sideways.

The other worring thing is how the martinez koeman and now big sam have become totally detached from the fans and reality. Trying to fill us with pre and post match dribble and false news. A sure way to get an early sacking. They just dont learn.

Im happy for sam to get us the points to keep this team of losers safe. He will do that. It could have been where we would be bottom of the table by this stage without the points he has picked up.

But he has blown his chance already to keep the job. We need intensity in our play that has been missing for years. He has failed to realise that along with koeman and martinez. He will join them in getting the bullet in the summer.

 

[Papa Shango]

Martinez couldn’t organise a defence with Coleman , Baines ( in his prime ) and a young JOHN Stones plus Jagelkia.
The man was a delusional fool
He was found out at Wigan , at Everton , at the Euros with Belgium and he will be found out at the WC

Erm...he didn't manage Belgium at the Euros

 

[TraffordBlue]

God no! Has this club really fallen so low that we happily embrace mediocrity like that?! Everyone knows what an utter disaster this season has been but in terms of league wins we're on course to win about the same amount as we managed in either 14-15 or 15-16, which was a pathetic twelve on both occasions. Im completly at a loss as to why Martinez is being held up as an example of anything other then faliure. It seems a sizeable number of our fanbase are happy to except mediocrity providing they can gloss it over by the side occasionally reach the quarter or even semi-final (be still my fluttering hart!) of a cup even if we get flattened in said game.

Obviously I understand why people are desperate for a major positive changes at the club but why people think Martinez would of been the answer is beyond me. To think that some are actually pining after a guy who delivered humiliating defeat after humiliating defeat when here, it would be funny if it wasn't so unbelievably tragic.

Spot on. Can't believe people have banished the 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons from memory. In 15-16 we got beaten 4-0 by Liverpool where they had 37 shots, with us having only 3, and 0 on target. A Liverpool side that finished 8th.

These same people slate Big Sam (rightly so in some ways) but yet dismiss games like this.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

yes lets take a step backwards when we need to go forwards.

Everton that