davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Because we have a gormless clown who controls the club who panicked and brought him in.
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Charles Hawtrey
Player Valuation: £50m
Because Walsh saw his well earned title winning reputation going to hell on the back of Koeman and Unsy’s ineptitude and convinced the supreme bottlers, Kenwright and Moshiri, that we were going to go down if we didn’t get his old friend the BFS in!
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Different shades of the same turd.
Just stop, and remember the games like this:
I voted NO.
We have never been this bad IMO.
Yes, we have fielded worse starting XIs than any permutation we can start with these days.
But even the poorest Everton teams I have watched stretching back half a century had more fight than this lot.
And always, always, always we knew in our hearts that a bad Everton team was only for now.
That we would come roaring back.
We had dark days in the early 70s but by the end of that decade, in fact by the middle of it, we were back in Title contention, not winning it but we should have in 1975 and Gordon's team was well in the hunt for a couple of seasons
We had even darker days in the early 1980s but by 1985/86 we had the best team in our history and would probably have won the European Cup at least once.
Then there were even darker than dark days in the early 90s yet a year after we escaped the ultimate indignity in 1994 we were running round Wembley with the Cup and were consolidating near the top of the table again over the next season or so until the Torre André Flo saga cost us our manager and the current twenty years and counting of mediocrity kicked in.
Football moved up a gear in the new century and as teams which were our equal a mere decade or so previously started opening a chasm between us both on and off the pitch, other teams which were once in awe of our achievements got big investment and started to positively dwarf us.
But we remained relevant....under Moyes and, briefly, Martinez we hung in there, on the coattails of football’s new elite and nouveau riche.
We believed that the only thing holding us back was investment.....once we got a backer with a few quid we would take off.
Then the investment came.
And eighteen months later we were in the bottom three, looking hopeless, hapless and clueless.
We wound up with Sam Allerdyce as manager.
With Sammy Lee as his right hand man.
So yes.....it is much worse now.
Because the hope that always sustained us through numerous fallow periods has completely evaporated and we are left with practically every Evertonian you speak too voicing their disillusionment with everything about the club.
It is rotten from top to bottom.
Leastways that is the overwhelming consensus among the Blues I know.
We have never been this bad IMO.
Yes, we have fielded worse starting XIs than any permutation we can start with these days.
But even the poorest Everton teams I have watched stretching back half a century had more fight than this lot.
And always, always, always we knew in our hearts that a bad Everton team was only for now.
That we would come roaring back.
We had dark days in the early 70s but by the end of that decade, in fact by the middle of it, we were back in Title contention, not winning it but we should have in 1975 and Gordon's team was well in the hunt for a couple of seasons
We had even darker days in the early 1980s but by 1985/86 we had the best team in our history and would probably have won the European Cup at least once.
Then there were even darker than dark days in the early 90s yet a year after we escaped the ultimate indignity in 1994 we were running round Wembley with the Cup and were consolidating near the top of the table again over the next season or so until the Torre André Flo saga cost us our manager and the current twenty years and counting of mediocrity kicked in.
Football moved up a gear in the new century and as teams which were our equal a mere decade or so previously started opening a chasm between us both on and off the pitch, other teams which were once in awe of our achievements got big investment and started to positively dwarf us.
But we remained relevant....under Moyes and, briefly, Martinez we hung in there, on the coattails of football’s new elite and nouveau riche.
We believed that the only thing holding us back was investment.....once we got a backer with a few quid we would take off.
Then the investment came.
And eighteen months later we were in the bottom three, looking hopeless, hapless and clueless.
We wound up with Sam Allerdyce as manager.
With Sammy Lee as his right hand man.
So yes.....it is much worse now.
Because the hope that always sustained us through numerous fallow periods has completely evaporated and we are left with practically every Evertonian you speak too voicing their disillusionment with everything about the club.
It is rotten from top to bottom.
Leastways that is the overwhelming consensus among the Blues I know.
Well, I am with you almost 100% there Dave.
But you lost me at the Joy Division/Chas ‘n Dave analogy
I don’t care what anyone says about me and they can lol if they like.....I would sooner listen to the Cockney troubadours than those Manc gloom merchants any day of the week
billy bluestar
Player Valuation: £950k
Martinez the man who said Tom Cleverley was priceless, sums him up really.
The first season was great don’t get me wrong, after that well, the less said the better.
How much money did he hold out for, waiting to get sacked?
The first season was great don’t get me wrong, after that well, the less said the better.
How much money did he hold out for, waiting to get sacked?
..have to look forward, not back. We were in free fall when Martinez left, he’d lost the players and the fans.
We were terrible during the Smith days
Just like then, the right managerial appointment could turn this around, because man to man the squad isn't truly as bad as the current form suggests
Just like then, the right managerial appointment could turn this around, because man to man the squad isn't truly as bad as the current form suggests
TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
Shame he couldn't handle the demands of both the League and Cup like Moyes was able to on occasion. 2013-14 was great but surpassed by the 4th place Moyes got us in 04-05 with Kilbane, Weir and Bent.
2008-09 was a better season for us than 2013-14. We came 5th and got to the FA Cup Final.
2007-08 was a better all round season than 2013-14 too. We came 5th, got to the Semi Final of the League Cup and the last 16 of the UEFA Cup.
That's 2 consecutive seasons where Moyes had us competing in more than one competition without our league form suffering to an embarrassing level like Martinez did.
Kenshin
Player Valuation: £40m
All Martinez had to do was work on defending to a semi professional level and he would have been fine. It was obvious he never worked on defending and it meant no matter how many we scored we could always concede.
TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
2014-15: Southampton 3 - 0 Everton
"It was Pelle's 11th goal of the season as the Saints made light of the absence of several key players to get back to winning ways in emphatic style after six matches without a victory in all competitions. Everton were disappointing for the majority and only troubled goalkeeper Fraser Forster in the last few seconds when Lukaku shot straight at him."
2015-16: Liverpool 4 - 0 Everton
"Liverpool finished with 37 shots on goal, 13 of those on target, while all three of Everton's efforts were wide."
2015-16: Everton 1 - 2 Man United (Wembley SF)
"Everton rallied after a passive first 45 minutes that saw them jeered off at half-time and they drew level with 15 minutes left when Chris Smalling deflected Gerard Deulofeu's cross into his own net."
Martinez never even attempted to make a change in that Southampton game, lead us to our 2nd consecutive 4-0 defeat at Anfield and his team got booed off in a Wembley Semi Final for awful football/lack of effort.
I could have mentioned loads more games but they've already been done - Sunderland away, Stoke at home, Leicester away. Dynamo Kiev was another horror show and capitulation.
"It was Pelle's 11th goal of the season as the Saints made light of the absence of several key players to get back to winning ways in emphatic style after six matches without a victory in all competitions. Everton were disappointing for the majority and only troubled goalkeeper Fraser Forster in the last few seconds when Lukaku shot straight at him."
2015-16: Liverpool 4 - 0 Everton
"Liverpool finished with 37 shots on goal, 13 of those on target, while all three of Everton's efforts were wide."
2015-16: Everton 1 - 2 Man United (Wembley SF)
"Everton rallied after a passive first 45 minutes that saw them jeered off at half-time and they drew level with 15 minutes left when Chris Smalling deflected Gerard Deulofeu's cross into his own net."
Martinez never even attempted to make a change in that Southampton game, lead us to our 2nd consecutive 4-0 defeat at Anfield and his team got booed off in a Wembley Semi Final for awful football/lack of effort.
I could have mentioned loads more games but they've already been done - Sunderland away, Stoke at home, Leicester away. Dynamo Kiev was another horror show and capitulation.
Didn't realise you were a fan of Chaz and Dave, Dave?
Kenshin
Player Valuation: £40m
Ahh I remember that game well.
It was the all out defence from west Brom and our changing nothing in how we attack them that led to that result. Think del came on and ran at their full back in the same way over and over getting tackled the same way.
This was another example of how bad Martinez was because we dominated this game but he didn't change anything, didn't change the approach or anything.
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