We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

Final position

  • Top 4

    Votes: 22 6.4%
  • Other European Qualification

    Votes: 63 18.4%
  • Top 10 outside Europe

    Votes: 57 16.7%
  • Complete capitulation bottom half.

    Votes: 200 58.5%

  • Total voters
    342
How funny that they just went out and signed a big, Italian tree to suit his dinosaur system, and then jibbed him immediately.

Kudos also to Liam Cello for that fearless reporting leading to him scooping leading journalists the world over. Reminiscent of some of Kate Adie's finest work.
And people moaned we didn't give him any money to waste
 
Generally it's money and wages that dictate it.

You need that to attract a manager with that record, too.

Yeah absolutely to a point.

I think we could pour another 100 mill into Everton this summer though and still finish in a similar position. I think Dyche could get you a 33% win rate with some cloggers from Burnley and he’d get you the same with a much better squad at Forest.

Some managers are just designed for certain jobs. Dyche gets you above that dotted line, Moyes can move you from one end of mid table to another. Some managers are only good at taking teams where everything is already in place and then winning with them.

Dyche delivered what was on his tin at both Everton and Forest. Fans who don’t like what’s in the tin maybe should question the ownership of both clubs that put them in a position where you need to turn to this managerial option rather than spending their adult lives assassinating the bloke who is very upfront about what exactly he’ll be doing. He didn’t hire himself, and I’d imagine he’s probably well up there now on total Prmeier league games managed across different clubs.
 
We're still % based, pragmatic now.

We've scored 1 more goal at this stage now, vs same stage under Dyche - despite lashing £100m+ on Barry, Grealish, Dewsbury-Hall, Dibling and Rohl.

I think it'll only change when we get full backs who can cross the half way line, and some pace out wide.
The full back situation is the biggest issue because I believe that, to an extent, exacerbates the pace issue, and the lack clinicality up front.

Can our wide players expect an overlap? Nope, so they’re either isolated (two on them), forced to beat everyone or go backwards.

Do our forwards or attacking expect to receive a reliable, well-paced or directed cross? No, they’re often slow or looped balls.

It puts additional pressure on them to bee clinical with the little service they do get from the full backs.

Solve that and it’s not a silver bullet for all our woes, however I think it will alleviate or reduce many of our apparent and frustrating flaws.
 
The full back situation is the biggest issue because I believe that, to an extent, exacerbates the pace issue, and the lack clinicality up front.

Can our wide players expect an overlap? Nope, so they’re either isolated (two on them), forced to beat everyone or go backwards.

Do our forwards or attacking expect to receive a reliable, well-paced or directed cross? No, they’re often slow or looped balls.

It puts additional pressure on them to bee clinical with the little service they do get from the full backs.

Solve that and it’s not a silver bullet for all our woes, however I think it will alleviate or reduce many of our apparent and frustrating flaws.

Certainly does.

For me it's the reason why we've struggled to score goals, and routinely bottom 3/5 for goals scored under about 5 successive managers.

It's toxic as well because at some point strikers lose confidence, they stop making runs they should because there's no belief the pass, cross or transition will happen.

It's not always as simple as strikers being awful either - just look at Calvert-Lewin - people took the piss when I routinely said he'd score double figures at another club.
 
Yeah absolutely to a point.

I think we could pour another 100 mill into Everton this summer though and still finish in a similar position. I think Dyche could get you a 33% win rate with some cloggers from Burnley and he’d get you the same with a much better squad at Forest.

Some managers are just designed for certain jobs. Dyche gets you above that dotted line, Moyes can move you from one end of mid table to another. Some managers are only good at taking teams where everything is already in place and then winning with them.

Dyche delivered what was on his tin at both Everton and Forest. Fans who don’t like what’s in the tin maybe should question the ownership of both clubs that put them in a position where you need to turn to this managerial option rather than spending their adult lives assassinating the bloke who is very upfront about what exactly he’ll be doing. He didn’t hire himself, and I’d imagine he’s probably well up there now on total Prmeier league games managed across different clubs.
But he probably shouldn’t have claimed in the past that he could adapt if given the players etc. I think even his biggest fans would now admit that’s just not the case. He’s what you get on the tin.

Honestly think he would’ve kept forest up for the sole fact that West Ham have time and time again not capitalised on forests poor results.
 
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Did think that, although I think that win out of the blue last night may have bought Parker a bit more time.

He`ll be back on Talksport next week, telling everyone how great he is and non of it was his fault.

🎶Autoglass repair, Autoglass replace 🎶

What a damning indictment it will be on him as a manager if deja vu happens. It was about the same time last year Moyes came in and pulled the club away from relegation with ease. Imagine the new forest manager doing the same. Which is a possibilty as that squads arguably one of the better ones down there.
To be a single point better off from when he took over is so crap lol.
 
Would Moyes get this sympathy from certain posters once he's gone..

Seems everyone against Moyes is batting for Dyche.

One post i'm reading Marinakas shouldn't be questioned, the next post they are liking someone saying it's down to the owner not the manager..

Forest are just a toy for the owner, but he can't handle not having the best toy in the playground..

He brought Dyche in because Silva wasn't leaving before his contract ends. Dyche has more than likely just lost him Silva.

2 massive Ego's, 2 utter Frauds..
 

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