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Go back to Burnley. If you cannot see the state of your own post you’re beyond help!
What a state

Edit: bengal famine, we killed 4 million .. it’s cool cos they now have mobile phones

Slavery, it’s cool, they have mobile phones

The 6 million Muslims we killed during the crusades… it’s cool .. etc etc
The Benefits of Empire for India.

177O famine, estimated dead 10 million
1783-4 famine, estimated dead 11 million
1791-2 famine, estimated dead 11 million
1860-61 famine, estimated dead 2 million
1876-8 famine, estimated dead 5.5million
1886 famine, estimated dead 1 million
1896-7 famine, estimated dead 5 million
1899 famine, estimated dead 1 million
 
Again who really believes that after the mass exodus of the Ukraine population and infrastructure destruction.
The majority of Russian people know not to trust what Governments say...though voicing that knowledge is a bit more risky even now.
(not so old) Old Russian proverb about the 2 main newspapers,
PRAVDA (News)
IZVESTIA (Truth)
"There's no news in the 'Truth' and no truth in the 'News' "
 
I think India gonna play this for their own benefit, nationalism is strong there, they really don't care for European wars, and any side that try to command them (like recent USA messages about them "not liking" India-Russia ties) just pushing them even more away toward Russia.

India is just too big and to nationalistic for threats and "gunboat" diplomacy to work. This recent quite hawkish messages coming from USA toward them don't really helping, in my personal opinion.
US foreign policy coque-up / faux pas. Why am I not surprised.
IMO, obvs, US foreign policy still has, deep down at its core, the feeling / belief that Johnny Foregner wants to 'be American'.
Live the 'As Advertised - but wait there's more, etc, etc American dream (whatever the 'K that is or was)
I mean - who don't like the American Dream right?
and are then surprised and a bit upset when the would be recipients of said largese get a bit miffed at having it shoved down their throat.
 
The Benefits of Empire for India.

177O famine, estimated dead 10 million
1783-4 famine, estimated dead 11 million
1791-2 famine, estimated dead 11 million
1860-61 famine, estimated dead 2 million
1876-8 famine, estimated dead 5.5million
1886 famine, estimated dead 1 million
1896-7 famine, estimated dead 5 million
1899 famine, estimated dead 1 million
You forgot the Machine gun the 1000s in the market square thing, small beer I know but it all counts
 
I just don't understand the hate and grudge which much of the world has for the West. Africa shouldn't be so hateful since the Arabs and Romans were already trading their people long before the Western Europeans came and besides. With regards to India.. We enriched their country since throughout history they were invaded by the Arabs and Mongols etc. Its Western globalisation and technology that brought the mobile phones and Internet to all the Indians and Africans not yo mention enrichment through other cultural influences.

What I would say about many of these countries is that they are extremely corrupt and if they feel Russia and China have their positive interests at heart then they are very sadly mistaken
Barely anyone hates the West and everyone in it, most of us are good people and most people know that. Same way most of the world don't think every Muslim from the Middle East is ISIS or Al Queda. Most of the East and some Westerners hate Western leaders and Western geopolitical policies and the people who back them. Which is fair based on the last 30 years.

"With regards to India.. We enriched their country..."

I mean the great Mahatma Ghandi literally exists because of British colonialism so part of me thinks if you believe that England enriched India with their imperialism and colonisation then whatever else I type here is pointless but hopefully it's not.

"Africa shouldn't be so hateful since the Arabs and Romans were already trading their people long before the Western Europeans"

So because someone else was already doing it its OK that we replaced them and done it too? Also the Roman empire hasn't existed since 476AD and slavery/ slave trade in England was happening up until the 1800s.

"Western globalisation and technology that brought the mobile phones and Internet to all the Indians and Africans not yo mention enrichment through other cultural influences."

The Internet idea/ tech was invented in the West but Indian IT experts created their own version of it themselves in the 80's and Nii Narku Quaynor was the African man who introduced and developed it in Africa. The West didn't bring the Internet over to those countries on a boat or something you know... Also what culture? In terms of culture modern USA and England have none compared to places like India and Africa etc c'mon man, open a book or Google it! Or open a dictionary to find the definition of "culture". If anything society in England and USA are heavily influenced by other countries cultural influences.

"What I would say about many of these countries is that they are extremely corrupt..."

Western countries/ politics are some of the most corrupt in the world. One only has to look at the banking system and its involvement in politics or more recent events regarding Covid contract scandals commited by the Tory party and their secret parties and rule breaking while telling all of us to stay at home under law.

I don't think anyone in here believes Russia or China have our best interests in mind but neither do most of our own elected politicians, who supposedly represent us, unfortunately.
 
A very sober assessment by Scott Ritter.


Day 36 of the Russian SMO in the Ukraine – a look at Ukrainian military


Scott Ritter

@RealScottRitter

1/ Big Arrow War—a primer. For all those scratching their heads in confusion, or dusting off their dress uniforms for the Ukrainian victory parade in Kiev, over the news about Russia’s “strategic shift”, you might want to re-familiarize yourself with basic military concepts.

2/ Maneuver warfare is a good place to start. Understand Russia started its “special military operation” with a severe manpower deficit—200,000 attackers to some 600,000 defenders (or more). Classic attritional conflict was never an option. Russian victory required maneuver.

3/ Maneuver war is more psychological than physical and focuses more on the operational than on the tactical level. Maneuver is relational movement—how you deploy and move your forces in relation to your opponent. Russian maneuver in the first phase of its operation support this.

4/ The Russians needed to shape the battlefield to their advantage. In order to do this, they needed to control how Ukraine employed it’s numerically superior forces, while distributing their own smaller combat power to best accomplish this objective.

5/ Strategically, to facilitate the ability to maneuver between the southern, central, and northern fronts, Russia needed to secure a land bridge between Crimea and Russia. The seizure of the coastal city of Mariupol was critical to this effort. Russia has accomplished this task.

6/ While this complex operation unfolded, Russia needed to keep Ukraine from maneuvering its numerically superior forces in a manner that disrupted the Mariupol operation. This entailed the use of several strategic supporting operations—feints, fixing operations, and deep attack.

7/ The concept of a feint is simple—a military force either is seen as preparing to attack a given location, or actually conducts an attack, for the purpose of deceiving an opponent into committing resources in response to the perceived or actual actions.

8/ The use of the feint played a major role in Desert Storm, where Marine Amphibious forces threatened the Kuwaiti coast, forcing Iraq to defend against an attack that never came, and where the 1st Cavalry Division actually attacked Wadi Al Batin to pin down the Republican Guard.

9/ The Russians made extensive use of the feint in Ukraine, with Amphibious forces off Odessa freezing Ukrainian forces there, and a major feint attack toward Kiev compelling Ukraine to reinforce their forces there. Ukraine was never able to reinforce their forces in the east.

10/ Fixing operations were also critical. Ukraine had assembled some 60,000-100,000 troops in the east, opposite Donbas. Russia carried out a broad fixing attack designed to keep these forces fully engaged and unable to maneuver in respect to other Russian operations.

11/ During Desert Storm, two Marine Divisions were ordered to carry out similar fixing attacks against Iraqi forces deployed along the Kuwaiti-Saudi border, tying down significant numbers of men and material that could not be used to counter the main US attack out west.

12/ The Russian fixing attack pinned the main Ukrainian concentration of forces in the east, and drove them away from Mariupol, which was invested and reduced. Supporting operations out of Crimea against Kherson expanded the Russian land bridge. This phase is now complete.

13/ Russia also engaged in a campaign of strategic deep attack designed to disrupt and destroy Ukrainian logistics, command & control, and air power and long-range fire support. Ukraine is running out of fuel and ammo, cannot coordinate maneuver, and has no meaningful Air Force.

14/ Russia is redeploying some of its premier units from where they had been engaged in feint operations in northern Kiev to where they can support the next phase of the operation, namely the liberation of the Donbas and the destruction of the main Ukrainian force in the east.

15/ This is classic maneuver warfare. Russia will now hold Ukraine in the north and south while its main forces, reinforced by the northern units, Marines, and forces freed up by the capture of Mariupol, seek to envelope and destroy 60,000 Ukrainian forces in the east.

16/ This is Big Arrow War at its finest, something Americans used to know but forgot in the deserts and mountains of Afghanistan and Iraq. It also explains how 200,000 Russians have been able to defeat 600,000 Ukrainians. Thus ends the primer on maneuver warfare, Russian style.

And ...


Gen Sir Nick Parker, former commander of land forces in the British army, has somewhat controversially said Nato has been “defeated”, and called for a smaller coalition of nations to develop an offensive counter-strategy to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin.

PA Media quote him telling BBC Radio 4’s Today programme:

Ritter is an absolute loon and Kremlin fantasist.

"Big arrow war at its finest", as the Russians advance towards Kyiv collapses backwards following an absolute mauling and the loss of thousands of the best Russian troops.

Sure ??
 
The Benefits of Empire for India.

177O famine, estimated dead 10 million
1783-4 famine, estimated dead 11 million
1791-2 famine, estimated dead 11 million
1860-61 famine, estimated dead 2 million
1876-8 famine, estimated dead 5.5million
1886 famine, estimated dead 1 million
1896-7 famine, estimated dead 5 million
1899 famine, estimated dead 1 million
Yeh, but mobile phones
 
Yep it was definitely intentional to lose over 600 tanks, hundreds of planes, helicopters and artillery as well as about 15,000 men plus another 30-40,000 wounded…Also to show the world that the Russian military could ensure that a couple of dozen generals and commanders could die and that the head of the Russian armed forces would go sick. This is in addition to the heads of their intelligence and security services being removed from their positions. Yes, a cunning plan indeed….

… and none of those reported losses will matter to the countries around the world who are already facing problems because of the war. The longer the war lasts, the greater those problems will become, and the more opportunities to exploit tensions will come about. That might have been the point of this war all along.
 
Actually this and the loss of the men on the Sir Galahad were two of the events the head of the SAS ( can’t remember his name) and Julian Thompson said was an avoidable loss of life. The goose green battle was fought because the British government needed a result for the moral of the British people and was a battle that wasn’t necessary. The loss of the Welsh guards on the Galahad was all down to a generals (?) ego, Moore I think his name was, he arrived late on in the conflict when the majority of the troop were on the outskirts of Stanley. His idea to catch up was to sail south with all his men and logistics ( this caused a logistical nightmare because the logistical officer had to split his sparse equipment and food between two fronts) he sailed the Galahad around to Bluff cove arriving in daylight, he unloaded his equipment leaving the men on board, he was told told a few times to get the men off, they were left on board in broad daylight, and as they say the rest is history.
 


There's talk about potential atrocities and war crimes committed by Russian forces in and around Bucha. They need to be validated, but it doesn't look good.

These are NSFW, so please consider whether you want to view.


 
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