You're not part of it though, what do you care?
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I don't think they'd turn a blind eye to an attack on NATO soil unless there was some real mitigating circumstances. A prepared assault would cause escalation.
However, I genuinely can't see Russian forces committing such an act. Even with unguided munitions, I can't see bombs straying the border as it's not WWII.
With their GPS, even if commercial units, and orders to not stray too close to borders, it's very unlikely that any incident will occur.
They've shown unity with their sanctions, and as many members are part of NATO I don't see it as too unlikely they'd work together.
peteblue
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I don’t care, it was just the ludicrous suggestion that they would that amused me. Imagine a world where the USA, U.K. and Canada just stood back and minded their own business. Now tell me, as you suggested, that the EU could rein in or face down Putin and Russia….
Imagine the defence organisation of the EU - NATO - has North American members? And so far, the UK has stood back and done comparatively F.A. regarding this war
But this is what you wanted, so I don't know why you didn't renounce the NATO participation tbh.However, why are you in this thread, like, for real? What's the point of this question you posed? I'd understand if you contributed, or even opposed the positions of the war/Russia/Ukraine/whatever - you're here to tell us the EU sucks. Great news mate, 10/10. There's an entire thread to deal with that, Brexit as well.
There's posts before and after the one you quoted with a lot more information worthy of debate, yet the one you picked is "the EU working together". This is "davek's manlove of Martinez" levels of bizarre.
Yarrgh
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Just have to get replace of the weak one at the top too and it could be a perfect storm.*looks at the Tory cabinet
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If only that zip line was 15 miles away from the city centre of Kyiv, that sight would make any army turnaround.
peteblue
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Imagine the defence organisation of the EU - NATO - has North American members? And so far, the UK has stood back and done comparatively F.A. regarding this war
However, why are you in this thread, like, for real? What's the point of this question you posed? I'd understand if you contributed, or even opposed the positions of the war/Russia/Ukraine/whatever - you're here to tell us the EU sucks. Great news mate, 10/10. There's an entire thread to deal with that, Brexit as well.
There's posts before and after the one you quoted with a lot more information worthy of debate, yet the one you picked is "the EU working together". This is "davek's manlove of Martinez" levels of bizarre.
When you calm down I think you will find that it was you who raised the issue of the EU, but never mind….
Spadge Vernacular
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Not a direct threat to their homeland but did any EU members of NATO support Tony's Iraq adventure?
Spadge Vernacular
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Interesting article, not about Ukraine but a look at Putin's ongoing war against the west and the EU and his interference in British politics through manipulation and grooming voters not able to form a critical position.
bylinetimes.com
Putin’s Plot Against ‘Great’ Britain – And How He Got Away With It
Peter Jukes tracks Vladimir Putin’s long war against the West and the allies he has found in the pro-Brexit establishment in the plot to derail Britain
bylinetimes.com
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Think the EU perspective on common defence is very conditional and subjective isn't it. There was some stuff in the the treaty of Maastricht, but written in the usual lawyer language if anyone want's to decipher feel free:
https://european-union.europa.eu/pr.../principles-and-values/founding-agreements_en
EU sanctioned defence is pretty irrelevant anyway....there is a north - south wall of NATO allies stretching from Estonia to Turkey which protects the rest of the rest of the EU members from any Russian expansion.
The only EU member states outside of that NATO wall are Finland and Sweeden.....No surprise, they want to join a proper objective defence agreement now!
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...and-sweden-warm-idea-nato-membership-83222700
https://european-union.europa.eu/pr.../principles-and-values/founding-agreements_en
EU sanctioned defence is pretty irrelevant anyway....there is a north - south wall of NATO allies stretching from Estonia to Turkey which protects the rest of the rest of the EU members from any Russian expansion.
The only EU member states outside of that NATO wall are Finland and Sweeden.....No surprise, they want to join a proper objective defence agreement now!
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...and-sweden-warm-idea-nato-membership-83222700
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Kyiv, Moscow say talks could yield results in days
Russia and Ukraine have both signaled progress in cease-fire talks despite the ongoing violence. Moscow said it had targeted "foreign mercenaries" in a rocket attack which hit western Ukraine.
www.dw.com
Spadge Vernacular
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Polish President Says Russian Use Of Chemical Weapons In Ukraine Would Be 'Game Changer'
Polish President Andrzej Duda has said that the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine by Russia would be a game changer and NATO would have to think seriously about how to respond.
www.rferl.org
Sassy Colombian
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I heard on NPR about a Russian protester getting detained for holding two books, one that was yellow and one that was blue. Many Russians that are trying to speak out against this war are getting silent even at the minimum forms of peaceful expressions
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How can it be that Russia actually committed a chemical attack on British soil and yet absolutely nothing was done about it?
No sanctions, no determination to reduce trade, just soundbites and box ticking.
Russian agents have entered the UK and murdered people and our elected Government did nothing because it's easier to turn a blind eye and line their pockets with rubles than it is to stand up for what is right.
Putin has been laughing at us for years, he thinks he can do whatever he wants because they have taught him he can.
The politicians have sold this country down the river. They should investigate them all and try them with treason.
No sanctions, no determination to reduce trade, just soundbites and box ticking.
Russian agents have entered the UK and murdered people and our elected Government did nothing because it's easier to turn a blind eye and line their pockets with rubles than it is to stand up for what is right.
Putin has been laughing at us for years, he thinks he can do whatever he wants because they have taught him he can.
The politicians have sold this country down the river. They should investigate them all and try them with treason.
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I think any NATO/EU country attacked will defend itself with its partners.
Poland are already rightfully ready to go, Germany will remember and France too.
Did you think that Ukraine would welcome Putin's invaders?
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