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[efcfanwirral]

There has to be a way out of this , but we are talikng about a dictator that lie's and canives at every opportunity.

His key words are "demilitarize Ukraine" yet now The Kremlin saying Ukraine can do what it wants !
So any time in the future they can just walk into Ukraine without any resistence ( which they will ) and consume the country.
Many stategists fortold this was going to happen yet where totally ignored.

Again No , Not to be trusted.

Then the only answer is force, which brings us into a world war and many reading this post being sent to die for a country thousands of miles away

 

[The Gueye Science]

I agree with most of this but not the last paragraph - this has exposed weaknesses in the Russian military and has galvanised the West for a moment. A cessation of hostilities may be temporary but any time that could reduce dependence on the Russians is going to be vital.

I'm not sure about that. Wars tend to move more slowly than Twitter feeds. It took the Americans two weeks to capture Baghdad and at the time the US military was criticised for its reckless haste. Russia seems to have the bulk of the Ukrainian military pinned down if not already surrounded in the East; it probably has control of the entire Black Sea coast within reach, and they are also steadily advancing up the Dnieper where they may even be planning to link up with Kiev, if they really wanted to make a go of it. At that point they can probably settle on whatever terms they like, most likely: recognition of Crimea (which in 2014 and certainly now almost unanimously prefers to remain Russian); de facto control of the Eastern statelets, and a government in Ukraine that while never likely to be friendly won't join NATO or the EU or act as though the West is interested in protecting it, either. Sure, they're facing logistical challenges - virtually all armies of this size do - and they are losing tanks and planes unexpectedly. But there is, by design, a good deal of slack - they probably have three times more tanks than the entire rest of Europe combined, for instance.

Since somebody will at this point probably accuse me of being an FSB agent or a Putin sympathizer I hasten to add that what Russia is doing to Ukrainian cities is - I would hope it goes without saying - utterly deplorable and immoral. It should never have been allowed to come to this, not least because neither Russia nor NATO/EU actually want Ukraine to be a member of the latter.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Ukraine as a sovereign nation too

 

[Yarrgh]

Point of accuracy: Russia seized Crimea by military coup. As such, it is not lawfully held by Russia, therefore Russia cannot, by definition, cede Crimea to anyone. It is not's Russia's to cede.

Forgive a grammar pedant his moment of anal accuracy.

I'm glad you were OK with the alien abduction part of the post though! lol

 

[blulouie]

Then the only answer is force, which brings us into a world war and many reading this post being sent to die for a country thousands of miles away

I wish I had the answer to stop this war , but one thing history tells us is not to deal with a despot bully.

As the words of the song goes

" If you tolerate this , then your children will be next "

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

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[Bruce Wayne]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And it's not about "accepting everyone", as the vast majority don't want to come here, but simply not turning our backs on those that "do" want to come here.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Grim as it will be it will be better than WW3 and a possible nuclear war, in my humble opinion.

There would be many who cannot afford to cook food, heat their homes etc that would consider both scenarios to be similar for their own personal perspective.

 

[ste d' indica]

Leading the way....

 

[peteblue]

He really is a great WUM isn’t he….

(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin held a phone call with European Council President Charles Michel on Ukraine, during which Putin urged the European Union to pressure authorities in Kyiv to respect humanitarian law, the Kremlin said on Monday.

 

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