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Russians say they’ve opened up a ‘humanitarian corridor’.

Let’s hope they’re not the same type of ‘humanitarian corridors’ they opened in Chechnya ?
A partial cease-fire with operations continuing elsewhere is highly questionable. Where do they propose these people go?

Then, as you point out, there's the historical laundry list of abuses including bribes demanded by Russian soldiers on the ground.
 
@Mutzo Nutzo or anyone else with relevant experience would appreciate thoughts on this piece
I was of a mind that as this badly thought out exercise was in many respects testing the water that the Russians might not have wanted to risk their recently updated air force i.e. not knowing the capability of Ukraine to defend itself (air force, surface to air missiles and general kit supplied by the west).

I did hear an analyst talking about the Russian perceived risk of its fighters chasing Ukrainian jest and crossing into NATO space and the threat that this would bring in opening the door to NATO. I can't find the talk but this article hints at the same.

 
I'm in their camp as I'm sure you can guess. I don't want WW3 and military intervention from the West = WW3. If you see my previous posts I've said how I think it will play out for Putin. I don't buy into the propaganda that Russia are ill prepared and Ukraine have them on the ropes etc. I could be wrong ofc but I just can't see it based on what we've seen and know outside of twitter rumours and misinfo.

Assuming it all does go that way and WW3 is avoided then Putin will pivot firmly to the East from now on imo
Honestly I don't think it will come to this but I see your point.

Thing is Putin called NATOS bluff and knew they wouldn't intervene because as Johnson and Biden have both said their people don't want war and they still need oil and gas.

Thing is though they need to call Putins bluff and make headway into Ukraine even.as a scare tactic.

This for Putin is all about money and control. He's pissed Ukraine didn't simply fall in line with them and give in to his demands.

Russian Oligarchs don't need World War III. Most of them make their earnings elsewhere or they rely on foreign investment and purchases. China isn't enough to keep them afloat and even China could turn on them because I'm sure they defo don't want escalations.

This is just a modern day Cold War and unfortunately Ukraine are the test subject. Horrible that it has to be them or anyone for that matter. Putin need routes and land from Ukraine and he's willing to push his agenda there. He won't go any further as there's no need. He takes Ukraine he can demand more from western countries for valuable resources.
 
Massive pinch of salt with everything you read atm, the machine is in full swing on both sides. We thought Covid misinfo was bad eh?

The idea that the Russian military is rubbish doesnt really make much sense when you look at it objectively. I mean the 2nd article doesn't prove anything like that either it basically just reads as "American experts shocked that Russia don't carpet bomb cities and civilians like they do". USA tactics are to take out air defenses and carpet bomb then go in and rebuild with USA contractors. So if Putin isn't planning on doing the same then why would he follow similar tactics?
If you are going to look at things objectively then you might want to consider not just this poor performance of the Russian forces but to also consider the last Russian incursion against another state i.e. Georgia.

What we are witnessing are the same kinds of gaps in command planning and application, communication et al. On balance the western militaries will now be of a mind that the dysfunctionality of the Russian military would not pose a great threat but that this trend of poor performance would see them fall back onto needing to use WOMD.

This is a warts and all analysis of the same types of failures in Georgia that we are seeing again in Ukraine. @LinekersLegs you'll also spot that they were shooting their own jets down in Georgia so that might be a factor in not wanting to risk the same in Georgia.

 
Um... No offense but... are you delusional?

About none of that you said is true. First, Russia is not considered the second best army in the world by even a half crazed russian lunatic. They are considered a massive undertrained incompetent force that an army such as South Korea could roll them. Second, hes already used a bunch of cluster bombs and at least one FOAB as hes desperate because his army was supposed to be have the whole country secured by March 6th. Now, weak countries such as the UK and Germany may want to go back to the negotiating table with him, but he screwed up so bad with this hes engraved his gravestone as far as the entire rest of the west is concerned. They certainly did not take 1/4 of Ukraine, unless you have been watching RT all this week(where in the world did you get that from), and besides, the "second best army in the world" should do a whole hell of a lot better than 1/4 of country with a force a fraction of its size, when you had the advantage.

Its been an absolute cluster for Putin and 90% of what has happened he didnt think would happen. Hes so desperate now and convinced he cant win the war without EVERY russian resource hes now shipping tanks from the East coast of Russia all the way to Ukraine...next week. Basically for you to say "Just like the Ghost of Ukraine and the 13 heroes of Snake Island, file under BS." shows where you and your ilk stand. So, guys told the warship "Russian warship, go [Poor language removed] yourself" and DIDNT get blown up and you ridicule them as BS? Pathetic.
So his east coast is weakened...? Hmmmm
 
The BBC is reporting that Ipsos/Reuters polling of Americans is coming up with 74% in favor of a no-fly zone.

This says something about the ignorance of the American voting public with respect to issues. If they were asked about their level of support for WWIII, I doubt 74% are in favor. A no-fly zone is tantamount to that, but people do not comprehend the issue.
Not really
 
Does anyone really believe this MI6 /CIA propaganda? I understand in war propaganda is necessary but its really badly obvious. Russia is considered the second best army in the world behind USA. They took 1/4 of Ukraine territory in 7 days that's the equivalent of almost 60% of United Kingdom in land mass. Just like the Ghost of Ukraine and the 13 heroes of Snake Island, file under BS.

Reality is he isn't carpet bombing the place like USA did in Iraq /Afghanistan (insert other country they've invaded) because he intends to put his own puppet leader in charge and doesn't want Ukraine leveled as a country via airforce bombings.

Unfortunately the first casualty of war is the truth. I think this will be over in the less than 2 weeks maybe to 1 month max. Barring some act of insanity that starts WW3 Ukraine will be taken and Putin and the West will be back at the negotiating table.

Just my opinion and I could be wrong.

PS not having a go at you Legs, just an observation on the piece you shared plus alot of other stuff I've seen online
Of course there is propaganda as it's morphing into a drawn out asymmetric war, which is something the Kremlin were likely to want to avoid.

Yet while you're discounting one side's media portrayal, it appears as if you've swung across and ignored the middle ground with an inflated perspective.

If it was considered the second best army in the world, which it isn't as there's a difference in size and capability, it's certainly not upholding that moniker.

Eight days into the conflict and Russia still fails to hold many (most) of its objectives. Their tactics have shown to be inflexible and inefficient, if not not flawed.

While the Russian army has the manpower to sustain attrition, you'd struggle to find anyone to acknowledge they're losing a high rate of equipment.

Is that sustainable and what impact will it have in the long term? Serious questions have also been raised about the quality of the weapons in their arsenal.

Your answer about the air question came across, maybe not intentionally, quite glib. The question isn't about carpet bombing, but rather air superiority.

On paper, the VVS has more than enough modern fixed-wing aircraft to gain supremacy of the air, and that's before talking about their EW capabilities.

Russia holds EW as a key part of its doctrine, so why isn't it being utilised effectively? Ukraine can still deploy aircraft and drones, which is very telling.

If the VVS had air supremacy, they would be able to target Ukrainian armour and supply lines at will, and that's not the same as carpet bombing etc etc.

All in all, yes the likelihood of a Russian tactical victory remains high, but what will their loss rate be if they have to hold the countrify if Ukraine is occupied?

Is it not fair that questions have been raised about the quality of pretty much every part of their arsenal used from armour, precision munitions and air arrests?

In layman's terms, the Russian forces are being shown to be all fur coat and no knickers - compare UK/US losses in both gulf wars to Russia in Ukraine.

There's propaganda and there's seeing the wood for the trees, which is Russia is getting its pants pulled down.
 
Does anyone really believe this MI6 /CIA propaganda? I understand in war propaganda is necessary but its really badly obvious. Russia is considered the second best army in the world behind USA. They took 1/4 of Ukraine territory in 7 days that's the equivalent of almost 60% of United Kingdom in land mass. Just like the Ghost of Ukraine and the 13 heroes of Snake Island, file under BS.

Reality is he isn't carpet bombing the place like USA did in Iraq /Afghanistan (insert other country they've invaded) because he intends to put his own puppet leader in charge and doesn't want Ukraine leveled as a country via airforce bombings.

Unfortunately the first casualty of war is the truth. I think this will be over in the less than 2 weeks maybe to 1 month max. Barring some act of insanity that starts WW3 Ukraine will be taken and Putin and the West will be back at the negotiating table.

Just my opinion and I could be wrong.

PS not having a go at you Legs, just an observation on the piece you shared plus alot of other stuff I've seen online
I think a lot of people just consider the bigger the better. They are second biggest in all likelihood. But they're proving they certainly aren't second best..
 
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