Current Affairs Ukraine

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Is it just me, or have even left wing spaces online gotten weirdly pro-Russia?

Pisses me right off, especially when the “leftist” Brits and Americans do it. Must be nice coming from a country that was doing colonial violence as opposed to coming from a country who was a victim of it
I think many can see the writing on the wall: Trump's familiarity with Putin will ease the support for Ukraine and will eventually force a compromised peace.

Ukraine knows this, as does the rest of the world. However, Russia will be perversely heralded for coming to the table and whatnot, rather than seen for what it is.

This is why some on the political spectrum are starting to change their tune.
 
I'm not so sure that's the point of the question.

It's not a contradictory position to oppose the invasion of Ukraine and also condemn Banderites and the likes of the Azov battalion as they actually are Nazis.

It's the same to me as being able to oppose Israel's genocide of Palestinians whilst condemning Hamas for their horrific acts.

There's a huge swing to the right at the moment across the western world. I believe Russia is a text book fascist state, as is Ukraine. There is likely a few more countries shifting to the same position. We need to be vigilant if those in our own countries against this contagion before wars start breaking out elsewhere.
It's been kind of sad to see your posts in here of late.
 
Almost as easy as not answering a question about do you think Bandera was a nazi or if Azov and right sector are?
Nazi’s on both sides. Nazi’s in every country in Europe. Can’t see why you’re singling out Ukraine here?

You talk of hype and propaganda - yet you yourself appear to have been sucked in as well.
 
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Free Gear: "Well, it's like this Volodymyr, you have to lose what you've lost right now...erm..."

Zelensky: "Yes...?"

Free Gear: "...and you have to take another 800 mile hit for a de-militarized zone...and....erm...no NATO...ever".

Zelensky: "But you promised you would back us to victory..."

Free Gear: "I know. But it's like when we became the government and we found out we had to raise taxes. Unfortunate, but there you have it. Tea?"
 
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Free Gear: "Well, it's like this Volodymyr, you have to lose what you've lost right now...erm..."

Zelensky: "Yes...?"

Free Gear: "...and you have to take another 800 mile hit for a de-militarized zone...and....erm...no NATO...ever".

Zelensky: "But you promised you would back us to victory..."

Free Gear: "I know. But it's like when we became the government and we found out we had to raise taxes. Unfortunate, but there you have it. Tea?"
Shitpost Danny
 
Russia is still awaiting a list of names of victims of both Bucha and the Mariople theatre and maternity hospital including autopsy reports btw as is the UN, none have ever been provided to either.


A May 2022 report by the Washington-based New Lines Institute for Strategy and Policy and Montreal-based Raoul Wallenberg Center for Human Rights, signed by more than 30 leading legal scholars and genocide experts, found that the well-documented massacres and summary executions in Bucha were among the Russian actions in Ukraine amounting to a “genocidal pattern of destruction.”

https://www.raoulwallenbergcentre.org/images/reports/English-Report-2.pdf



As of October 31, 2022, the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) had documented the killing of 73 civilians in Bucha while under the Russian occupation, including as a result of mass executions, and was working to verify another 105 alleged killings. OHCHR reported that many locals were shot for simply being on the street:

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/2022-12/2022-12-07-OHCHR-Thematic-Report-Killings-EN.pdf



Report by Amnesty International;

 
Starmzy - "You think you've got it rough, I decided to make myself the local covid enforcement agent and cycled around threatening anyone I saw with the law according to me, sadly I was wearing a folded up tea towel as a mask and had oven gloves on as my PPE, everyone I encountered was doubled up laughing at me and the characters on here have never let me get over it since"
Zelenskyy - "You poor poor man, you have had it rough"

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Nazi’s on both sides. Nazi’s in every country in Europe. Can’t see why you’re singling out Ukraine here?

You talk of hype and propaganda - yet you yourself appear to have been sucked in as well.
I’ve said this before and I’m not really trying to get involved in the row , I’ll also caveat it by saying I’m definitely pro Ukraine and anti Putin . However when it comes to nazi’s Ukraine is the only country I’ve been to where there were a lot of open nazi’s wandering about . I don’t mean like these EDL cosplaying scumbags I mean groups of blokes with swastika tatts and flags who were openly espousing the rhetoric .

What the causes were is way above my pay grade and as is happens , virulent fascism aside , they were ok to talk to but there was a lot of them them in Kharkiv and Kiev when I was there .
 
I’ve said this before and I’m not really trying to get involved in the row , I’ll also caveat it by saying I’m definitely pro Ukraine and anti Putin . However when it comes to nazi’s Ukraine is the only country I’ve been to where there were a lot of open nazi’s wandering about . I don’t mean like these EDL cosplaying scumbags I mean groups of blokes with swastika tatts and flags who were openly espousing the rhetoric .

What the causes were is way above my pay grade and as is happens , virulent fascism aside , they were ok to talk to but there was a lot of them them in Kharkiv and Kiev when I was there .
It’s a disease. But it exists in a lot of places and not simply confined to a single nation. I take your point though about Ukraine, it was openly acceptable back then.

However they have and are making steps to crack down on it. Although to eradicate a mindset and ideology will take generations to achieve, look at sectarianism in Northern Ireland. But it’s hardly an excuse to invade a country and bring death and destruction to a sovereign nation.

The final irony is that Russia itself has openly visible neo-nazi groups fighting for it on their side.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was and is simply a land grab.
 
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