Current Affairs Ukraine

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davek said:
Russia plays the long game. Always have and always will. And they always come out on top. If you know your history.
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Like in Afghanistan.
And umpteen others they have lost throughout history.
Japan , ottoman, Polish, wars lots have beaten them.
Myth of being the mighty Russian war machine they are forever getting there arse handed to them when the step up agaist anyone that can fight back.
 
davek said:
They dont have the complexity for that.

These are western missiles and the pretence is in play that the 'permission' hasn't been granted to use them against Russia yet.

I'd await the reprisals, because they will come.
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Dave. They manufacture their own Neptune missiles as well as drones

So you're wrong
 
edge said:
Like in Afghanistan.
And umpteen others they have lost throughout history.
Japan , ottoman, Polish, wars lots have beaten them.
Myth of being the mighty Russian war machine they are forever getting there arse handed to them when the step up agaist anyone that can fight back.
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The ultimate defeat there was the west's, as arming Bin Laden's mob led ultimately to 9/11.

Napoleon, Hitler...I think they'll be able to manage to see off a tv clown like Zelensky in the end.
 
Damo_1878 said:
Dave. They manufacture their own Neptune missiles as well as drones

So you're wrong
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As if they can manufacture anything. It's western expertise, technology and ballistic missile engineers that make those systems. As for the drones: they adapt them: most of the early stuff they were buying off the internet FFS.
 
davek said:
The ultimate defeat there was the west's, as arming Bin Laden's mob led ultimately to 9/11.

Napoleon, Hitler...I think they'll be able to manage to see off a tv clown like Zelensky in the end.
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The wouldn't have seen off Hitler but for Rusia being swamped with weapons and equipment from the allies.
400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food
 
davek said:
The ultimate defeat there was the west's, as arming Bin Laden's mob led ultimately to 9/11.

Napoleon, Hitler...I think they'll be able to manage to see off a tv clown like Zelensky in the end.
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They have lost already.
Nato has grown, it's on its doorstep on new borders.
Even if the gain ground in Ukraine they Have shown despite the image they like to portray to the world there military isn't all that.
Have an enemy for lifetimes in Ukraine .
Inside Russia itself once the dust settles and the bodies are returned home .
There will be a price to pay, it's not going to just go back to square one.
I fully expect major internal conflict .
China will have them by the bollocks going forwards.
Kid themselves all they want.
In the great game they have lost again.
 
edge said:
They have lost already.
Nato has grown, it's on its doorstep on new borders.
Even if the gain ground in Ukraine they Have shown despite the image they like to portray to the world there military isn't all that.
Have an enemy for lifetimes in Ukraine .
Inside Russia itself once the dust settles and the bodies are returned home .
There will be a price to pay, it's not going to just go back to square one.
I fully expect major internal conflict .
China will have them by the bollocks going forwards.
Kid themselves all they want.
In the great game they have lost again.
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They've got the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet.
 
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