Ohhhhhh, youuuuu big joker Vlad.
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Ohhhhhh, youuuuu big joker Vlad.
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If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
What a nutter. We couldn't in good consciousness possibly negotiate with a country that would invade another country..
Every single peace deal that Russia 'agrees to' i.e. makes up themselves involves them losing 0 territory and involves Ukrainian disarmament. Basically 'we'll stop the fighting but you will lose everything why we carry on as normal' They want Ukraine to lose the ability to defend itself in the future. Any Putin Bitches who think said terms are reasonable are deluded freaks.
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Russia has shown its ineptitude – the West must help Ukraine finish the job
Editorial: The shambolic invasion has proved how poorly organised, badly equipped, technologically backwards and hopelessly chaotic the supposed superpower really is.
Ukraine has been given more freedom in its defence; it is now allowed to take the war to Russia (AP)
Exactly how serious President Zelensky is about his audacious counteroffensive into Russia isn’t entirely clear, and the same may be said for many of the details of the operation. However, a few salient facts are emerging from the fog of war.
The first is that it is a much more ambitious and well-resourced incursion into genuinely Russian sovereign territory than Ukraine has ever attempted before. Past raids into Russia itself have been chiefly for the purposes of mischief and propaganda. This time, the seizure of a surprising amount of Russian territory around Kursk – the advance is said to go 10km deep – is a much more significant move and goes way beyond its undoubted equal and opposite effects on Russian and Ukrainian morale, respectively.
If the Ukrainians manage to dig in and hang on to at least some of these gains, then Mr Zelensky will have in his pocket a highly valuable territorial bargaining chip in any peace talks that commence later this year or in 2025.
Even if the Russians manage to regroup and drive the Ukrainians back, the episode is a massive embarrassment to Vladimir Putin personally, in the eyes of his people and those around him in the Kremlin. He is losing face. After all, the original invasion 18 months ago, the so-called “special military operation”, was supposed to have boosted Mr Putin’s popularity, and been over in weeks.
By now, Ukraine and its resources “should” be fully under the control of the Kremlin, in true imperial style, and Mr Zelensky living in exile in America. It was not supposed to end up with the Russians losing swathes of their own lands to a Ukrainian counterattack.
The tide of war has turned, if only temporarily, in the most miserable fashion so far as the Russian armed forces are concerned. Footage of the smouldering wreckage of a large Russian military convoy has been uploaded to the internet, and a Ukrainian drone attack on a Russian air force base, again in the Kursk region, has reportedly destroyed several dozen Russian fighter planes, helicopters and munitions.
Even if Mr Zelensky’s forces do eventually have to retreat, they will have made a powerful point and set an important precedent, one that will be noted in Western capitals fretting about whether to continue to send expensive armaments to the plucky but outnumbered Ukrainians.
Hitherto, with minor and rare exceptions, Ukrainian military activity has always had to stop dead on the Russian border, due to the sensitivities of Western governments about “escalation” with Moscow. That gave the Russians a huge strategic advantage.
But in the past few months, some Western governments, including the US and the UK, have allowed their equipment to be used on and over Russian soil; and it is inconceivable that this major ground counteroffensive would have taken place without the knowledge of the White House and Nato commanders.
Ukraine has been given more freedom in its defence; it is now allowed to take the war to Russia and pile the pressure onto Mr Putin. Mr Zelensky is making excellent use of it.
So far from Mr Putin being the reincarnation of Peter the Great or Josef Stalin, he is presiding over a long, fruitless war of attrition with a supposedly puny, upstart neighbour, with his war economy running short of labour, high on inflation and starved of technology. He is overly reliant on military assistance from Iran and North Korea – hardly a sign of strength – and on Chinese financial support, with strings attached.
Where once he frightened some in the West with his chilling threats to use nuclear weapons in retaliation for Nato’s support of Ukraine, now his bluff has been called. He is now faced with the deployment of F-16 fighters to complete Ukraine’s technological edge. The prospect of a Donald Trump presidency – and with it an early and advantageous peace settlement for Russia – is also fast receding into the distance because we may be sure that Kamala Harris will be just as determined as President Biden to win this war.
Russia’s response to the surprise Ukrainian attack has been depressingly predictable – it’s bombed a supermarket, killing 11 civilians. It does rather feel that mass bombardment of civilians is all that this supposed superpower has in the way of strategic gambits.
Virtually everything that has happened since the original attack in February 2022 has proved that the Russian armed forces, and particularly the navy, are badly led and organised, poorly equipped, technologically backwards, and hopelessly chaotic when it comes to fighting actual soldiers with a will to defend their homeland.
At the start of this year, the experts were wondering whether the sheer force of Russian troop numbers would overcome their other weaknesses and eventually crack Ukraine’s resistance. The last few days have proved there is still much for Ukraine to fight for, and every reason for the West to give Mr Zelensky the tools to finish the job.
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davek
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Is there any more balanced analysis you can link to?
Most of what you link is hysterical tosh.
Go read RT Dave, they might align more with your views.
Russia wanted Ukraine in Russia, they got Ukraine in Russia.
Why doesn't Russia concede the Kursk region to Ukraine in order to achieve peace?!?!?
davek
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I dont need them - and in any case we cant see it because of censorship, remember.
The balanced analysis of this incursion is that it's a desperate attempt to try and slow down the rate of advance Russia has had in The Donbas and is a means of getting a more favourable settlement in a peace deal, which will inevitably be forced on the Ukrainians.
The incursion into Russia will, of course, be reversed in the coming weeks, so the whole thing is little more than the last throes of a Ukrainian offensive that never got off the ground two summers ago.
All but the deluded realise that's what's happening.
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Hmm. You are certainly not operating to the original account handlers level. I get that the site wants to keep its "brands" but you're destroying this once much loved account. I'd just let it go. I cannot even be bothered pointing and laughing. It's very sad.
RT isn't censored
here's a article you might enjoy
Trump outlines hopes for relations with Putin
Donald Trump has expressed hope of good personal relations with Vladimir Putin and other foreign leaders opposing the US
Putin is overreacting. Ukraine is just undergoing a 3 day special military operation.
Yarrgh
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Balanced articles are hard to distinguish as both sides are spinning in their favour, and trying to use that to affect their own and their enemy's morale and support.
The Kursk offensive has been a win for Ukraine. No doubt that they will return to more defensive positions as Russia reacts either within the Kursk oblast or even return to their own border. If they do this with minimal losses and hit some strategic targets and suck in Russian resources then it probably is a long term win too. If they start losing men and equipment then probably not. That Russia went past the 2014 defensive lines in Donbass yesterday has hardly been commented on - if that leads to capitulation by Ukraine then it certainly becomes a catastrophic gamble to go north.
The Ukrainian counteroffensive was never going to take Crimea or the land bridge- the fact that they pushed Russia to the east side of the Dniper was the most significant part of the war. For Russia to go west will be extremely costly and unless Ukraine falls over I do not see it happening - it's the same going east for Ukraine.
As ever with this war we will see what we shall see. The true outcome of this offensive will be understood only once the dust has settled.
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