Current Affairs Ukraine

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I know she is far from decent but never had her down for these levels - as always, I learned a bit here!

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Actually, I just did a very quick search and she does not to be as "in bed" as you make out. In fact, she has been calling him out a fair bit.

There are words and there are actions.

She is fully behind a candidate whose “grassroots campaign” is almost fully funded by AIPAC. They’ve pumped vast sums into that race, by the end of it the total may be up to $25 million.

Bowman is one of a handful of people in Congress who isn’t blindly loyal to the Israeli government (whatever it does). He’s facing a challenge of this seriousness because of that, not because of any scandal or political decision.

She backs his opponent instead. She is in bed with Netanyahu, and his government.
 
There are words and there are actions.

She is fully behind a candidate whose “grassroots campaign” is almost fully funded by AIPAC. They’ve pumped vast sums into that race, by the end of it the total may be up to $25 million.

Bowman is one of a handful of people in Congress who isn’t blindly loyal to the Israeli government (whatever it does). He’s facing a challenge of this seriousness because of that, not because of any scandal or political decision.

She backs his opponent instead. She is in bed with Netanyahu, and his government.

I can only go off what I have read (very briefly) let me have a better look
 
I don't agree, it had to be slow burners, Russia set their red lines, the west couldn't just charge across these lines with wreckless abandon, tip toe up to and then tip toe across was the correct approach, perhaps things could have sped up a bit that time the Missile landed in Poland and the Russian leaders were running around soiling themselves hoping it wasn't a stray Russian missile, that was the real Russians attitude towards NATO they were terrified, I think the Americans have played a blinder by dragging it out, they've ensured that Russia can't/won't attempt another invasion of another country for many many years, such is the Russian equipment loss, Allowing Ukraine to strike military inside Russia seems to be in preparation for F16s as they are targeting a lot of anti air equipment. If Ukraine gain control of the air it's game over.

You're not wrong.

But for me, I'd prefer to have seen a far more 'nasty' response.

To say, your economy is ruined and now your people will have no option but to turn against you.
 
You're not wrong.

But for me, I'd prefer to have seen a far more 'nasty' response.

To say, your economy is ruined and now your people will have no option but to turn against you.

The way of doing that was not via sanctions or military pressure (or actions), though. It was by bringing global energy prices down.
 
You're not wrong.

But for me, I'd prefer to have seen a far more 'nasty' response.

To say, your economy is ruined and now your people will have no option but to turn against you.
Russian people have an uncanny ability to put up with hardships from government and outside influences, years and years of brainwashing propaganda has this hardwired into them.
 
I don't agree, it had to be slow burners, Russia set their red lines, the west couldn't just charge across these lines with wreckless abandon, tip toe up to and then tip toe across was the correct approach, perhaps things could have sped up a bit that time the Missile landed in Poland and the Russian leaders were running around soiling themselves hoping it wasn't a stray Russian missile, that was the real Russians attitude towards NATO they were terrified, I think the Americans have played a blinder by dragging it out, they've ensured that Russia can't/won't attempt another invasion of another country for many many years, such is the Russian equipment loss, Allowing Ukraine to strike military inside Russia seems to be in preparation for F16s as they are targeting a lot of anti air equipment. If Ukraine gain control of the air it's game over.
They are terrified of NATO,and yet at the same time poised to roll over Poland and then the Baltic States 🤔. I'd more likely agree with the former. But the later has to be the narrative while your tax £ get spent on arms rather than the NHS.
 
They are terrified of NATO,and yet at the same time poised to roll over Poland and then the Baltic States 🤔. I'd more likely agree with the former. But the later has to be the narrative while your tax £ get spent on arms rather than the NHS.
Anyone claiming publicly that Russia are capable of taking on NATO either stands to make a lot of money from a war economy being set up or they are completely bananas.
 
TBF I think he has that backwards - the Ukrainian identity is the direct result of being ruled by Russia. Without it there really wouldn’t be a Ukraine.

300-400 years ago there was not a distinctive Ukrainian polity; they really were several groups of Slavic types mixed in with all the Slavic groups that made up Muscovy. It was the chauvinism of those who defined themselves as Russian (and therefore fit to rule) and everyone else as “others” that created a genuinely Ukrainian feeling.

It was the traumas of the 19th and 20th centuries that reinforced it that feeling into an identity and its this war - whether they win or lose it - that will cement it as a country.
I’d suggest that is a somewhat limited understanding of Ukrainian history. The roots of Ukrainian identity trace back to the Kyivan Rus’, a powerful medieval state that existed from the 9th to the 13th centuries, long before Muscovy emerged. Kyivan Rus’ was a cultural and political entity that laid the foundations for what we now know as Ukrainian, Belarusian, and Russian identities. It wasn’t Russias doing.

Ukrainian language and cultural practices have distinct characteristics that evolved over centuries. By the time Muscovy started to consolidate its power, Ukrainian culture and identity had already diverged significantly from those in the north.
Western Ukraine, particularly Galicia, was under Austro-Hungarian rule, not Russian. This region experienced a different set of influences and developed its own sense of Ukrainian identity distinct from that under Russian control. Similarly, the Crimean Tatars.

The traumas of the 19th and 20th centuries, such as the Holodomor, Soviet repressions, and World War II, were indeed significant. However, these events did not create Ukrainian identity; rather, they reinforced and highlighted the resilience of an already existing national consciousness. Russian settlements have attempted to cleanse Ukrainians and Ukrainian culture from the areas that it occupies, much as the Israeli’s are doing in Palestine.

Ukrainian identity is rooted in a complex historical process that predates Russian rule and is influenced by a variety of cultural, political, and social factors. While Russian dominance has impacted Ukrainian identity, it is not the sole nor primary source of its existence. Ukrainian national consciousness has been shaped by a myriad of influences and events, demonstrating a robust and independent culture and community.
 
I don't agree, it had to be slow burners, Russia set their red lines, the west couldn't just charge across these lines with wreckless abandon, tip toe up to and then tip toe across was the correct approach, perhaps things could have sped up a bit that time the Missile landed in Poland and the Russian leaders were running around soiling themselves hoping it wasn't a stray Russian missile, that was the real Russians attitude towards NATO they were terrified, I think the Americans have played a blinder by dragging it out, they've ensured that Russia can't/won't attempt another invasion of another country for many many years, such is the Russian equipment loss, Allowing Ukraine to strike military inside Russia seems to be in preparation for F16s as they are targeting a lot of anti air equipment. If Ukraine gain control of the air it's game over.
Doesn't make for good reading for Ukrainian F16 pilots.
 
Exactly,they can't finish Ukraine that has no navy,a small air force that can't seem to pose a threat,over two years to take less than 20% of Ukraine yet halfwits like Macron keep pushing the line that they are a danger to NATO countries. If people weren't dying on a daily basis it'd be comedic.
Agreed, who'd have thought a country without a navy for example, could give a real kicking to an invading superpowers navy :lol:

Russian weakness aside all your little Hitler has to do is leave Ukraine and the killing stops.
 
Agreed, who'd have thought a country without a navy for example, could give a real kicking to an invading superpowers navy :lol:

Russian weakness aside all your little Hitler has to do is leave Ukraine and the killing stops.
As usual the main point sailed right over you're head. But then why would that surprise me.
Anyway about those F16 fighters...
 
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