Current Affairs Ukraine

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My support is for the Ukrainian peoples right to freedom and to not be subjugated to Russian imperialst rule, and the clear hell that would bring them. If they had wanted to put themselves under the Kremlins boot then we would not have seen the horrors of the last couple of years.

It is your view that you can live in and enjoy the benefits of a community in the good times but abandon them in times of need, when the very nature of community is needed to survive is what some, including me, have taken umbrage with. Though I do recognise that this is just a conversation on a forum and in reality it might be that you would stand with your neighbours.

Like you, I too hope that Ukraines wins its freedom and is brought into NATO and the EU.

It is my view that you need to share the values of the community if it insists that you fight for them. If my leader takes me down a road I think is unwise, and endangers my community in doing so, I am less likely to want to fight for him - even if he covers himself in patriotic garb and talks of glory.

So, it’s really a question of who “abandoned” who. In an ideal world, Ukraine should be able to orientate as it sees fit if its people want that. I think we all agree on that. In the real world, however, that’s only possible if you are stronger than your enemies. If you’re not and you’re dealing with a headbanger next door, you’re making choices and weighing up likely consequences. And my point is not everyone will agree with those choices or believe their consequences are acceptable. And those people can be every bit as patriotic as you - but have a very different risk appetite.

Anyway, thanks for the civil discussion. These are interesting perspectives.

Back in the early days of the Brexit debate (I’m not trying to deflect the thread btw) I mentioned one of my concerns with the continued expansion, and indeed speed of expansion of the EU right up to the edges of Russia and I said that this would almost certainly result in armed conflict. I’m not having a pop at the EU but I still think the speed of change especially with Ukraine was rubbing Russia’s nose in it. Now we are all agreed that Russia should have no say in what another country wishes to join, but I think the potential expansion of the EU and of NATO into these sensitive areas should have been done with more care. Russia suffered badly during WW2 and I can understand, if not agree with, their desire for ‘buffer‘ states…….
 


From the above TLDR
The "question" allegedly posed by the agency was formulated as follows: "The collective West, having used up nearly all its weapons, has started pushing the Kyiv regime to negotiate in 2024. Is this possible?" Medvedev's answer boiled down to the following postulates:

- Russia continues to insist on the "demilitarization" and "denazification" of Ukraine.

- Territorial claims are not limited to "new territories". Odesa, Dnipro (formerly Dnipropetrovsk), and even Kyiv are also designated as "temporarily occupied".

- "The ruling Bandera regime must be removed" on the territory that the Russian Federation will not be able to seize. Upon these conditions Moscow is ready to conduct "negotiations", and "such "negotiations" are not limited by time. They can be conducted up to the complete defeat and surrender of "the Banderovite troops of the North Atlantic Alliance". The fact that such a "mood" is found not only in the ruling elite but also among the "deep" Russian people, who go to war en masse, actively and with enthusiasm, Medvedev illustrated by reminding that from January 1, 2023, half a million people have been recruited for contract service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

- Medvedev is a peculiar character, actually a kind of blowhard at the court of the tsar (an unprecedented case in world history - a former ruler in such roles for his "successor"). However, the messages he voices can be regarded as a serious source regarding the real moods and hopes of Putin and his entourage.

- In this particular case, Medvedev was "brought out" with a statement to disavow the frequent "leaks" in the Western media (for example the NYT: Putin Quietly Signals He Is Open to a Cease-Fire in Ukraine) that Moscow is offering the West to enter the negotiating track. The former president does not directly deny this information but frames it by saying that the talk could be about negotiations on the complete and unconditional surrender of Ukraine. This message is also directed to the internal Russian audience, which is being "immersed in a warm bath" regarding the real status quo.

- The weaknesses of the West (which allegedly no longer has weapons and ammunition to supply Ukraine with) and the strength of Russia (emphasis on half a million new contractors) are outlined. Simplifying, it can be stated that Medvedev emphasizes that there are so many Russians eager to fight that in the conditions of shortage of supplies for the AFU, it will be impossible to stop them.

- Sobering for those who assume that Ukraine can make a deal on the formula "peace in exchange for territories" are the outlined territorial claims of the Russian Federation which are of much larger magnitude than what the Russian Federation has managed to seize since February 2022.

- Putin's regime, through Medvedev, did not neglect to remind that, unlike Western countries, it does not live in the rhythm of electoral cycles and does not depend on public opinion. Therefore, he is allegedly ready to fight indefinitely.

So Medvedev believes that the war will go on for five years and every year 500,000 Russians will have to be mobilized.

Russians are being driven into a "warm bath" before the elections, demonstrating that things are going well on the front, the seizure of new territories and cities of millions of people (including Kyiv) are easily achievable goals, and negotiations with Ukraine and the West will only be on Russian terms. However, it is obvious to any observer that what Dmitry Medvedev has announced means a war for many years, new mobilizations, and numerous losses of the RF Armed Forces.
 
Over a month now since Dave’s best mate on here, the multi Putin bot was outed and last made a post - @ramacca

I mean, you can just go and see what SIMPLICIUS The Thinker is (still) posting if you're missing the content...

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I mean that's some honest, unbiased & insightful analysis of the current situation, right there. Imagine NOT wanting this as a daily update.


I still find it mad that anyone would pay any attention to these accounts. All of them have only existed since the start of the invasion and all of them absolutely turbospam pro-Russian and anti-West content daily (not necessarily just Ukraine stuff), never mentioning anything else at all.
 
At the risk of doing something that Russian spokespeople and trolls will be doing later, please note that this massive attack / war crime on a massive scale has killed less than a tenth of the humans that the Israelis kill every day in Gaza. Which our governments still have not a lot to say about.
Very true.

That's why the western governments are considered a huge joke in the global south. They look on at their hypocrisy and are appalled by it.
 
At the risk of doing something that Russian spokespeople and trolls will be doing later, please note that this massive attack / war crime on a massive scale has killed less than a tenth of the humans that the Israelis kill every day in Gaza. Which our governments still have not a lot to say about.
It is increddibly sad and Hamas/Iran clearly are not bothered in the slightest that Israel are carrying out such atrocities, they'd most likely planned for it, as has Putin.

The sooner the killing can stop the better.

It would also be great to see these aggressors brought to justice but they'll no doubt squirm away.
 
At the risk of doing something that Russian spokespeople and trolls will be doing later, please note that this massive attack / war crime on a massive scale has killed less than a tenth of the humans that the Israelis kill every day in Gaza. Which our governments still have not a lot to say about.
And this is the real damage that Biden, Scholz, and von der Leyen Have done. They have exposed western hypocrisy. It’s now clearly about “western interests” not universal human rights. Deeply corrosive.
 

Hopefully all the air defence imaginable will be primed and defended for when the F16's and the newly trained pilots are unleashed, Ukrainian air superiority at least as far as ALL Ukraine borders will alter a few's thinking when conscripted. And with a few beatings doled out and filmed, the satisfaction in the west should really antagonise a few nations having big ideas.
 
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