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[davek]

Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia: what could they possibly have in common?

All three are currently cuckoos in the EU nest destabilising us from within. The Polish electorate realised, belatedly, that they needed to change course if they weren't to jeopardise their membership and Donald Tusk can't come back soon enough.

The Polish truckers are complaining right now in exactly the same way that Western European truckers did when the Poles joined in 2004. They had to suck it up then - and the Poles, Hungarians, and Slovaks will have to do so now.

Hungary is about to become very isolated indeed in the EU, now that Tusk is incoming, and Slovakia is simply too small to matter.

As for Ukraine joining the EU - that's decades away for some very good reasons indeed. But what we are seeing right now is self-serving squealing by pigs who thought nothing of demanding the Germans, for example, pay through the nose to dump Russian energy in the blink of an eye. The Germans did that - amazingly - despite the pain. They won't be taking lectures from these two-faced chancers now that the boot is on the other foot.

All that's by the by. There's no way Polish agriculture is going to sit idly by as Ukrainian grain etc is dumped in their market place. It does't matter what Donald Tusk thinks. Same as Romania, Slovakia and Hungary where there's been protests of late.

Any land corridor for their exports to get to western Europe or to other country's Black Sea ports is being opposed.

Take a look at any map, that'll tell you how vulnerable that makes Ukrainian exports.

 

[davek]

A hard, bloody winter awaits Ukrainian and Russian soldiers, say experts

Neither side is ready to give up, and neither can win in the medium term, but negotiations could come next year.

www.aljazeera.com

Overview of where the war is and where it's heading.

 

[Drico]

All that's by the by. There's no way Polish agriculture is going to sit idly by as Ukrainian grain etc is dumped in their market place. It does't matter what Donald Tusk thinks. Same as Romania, Slovakia and Hungary where there's been protests of late.

Any land corridor for their exports to get to western Europe or to other country's Black Sea ports is being opposed.

Take a look at any map, that'll tell you how vulnerable that makes Ukrainian exports.

Tusk is the incoming PM. Of course it matters what he thinks. He'll come up with a workable compromise because the EU knows he is not another Polish cuckoo.

 

[davek]

Tusk is the incoming PM. Of course it matters what he thinks. He'll come up with a workable compromise because the EU knows he is not another Polish cuckoo.

Those truckers and farmers will still blockade the border crossings.

 

[Drico]

Those truckers and farmers will still blockade the border crossings.

We'll have to withhold some funds for Poland, then. Just as we have for Hungary.

In reality, the EU will find it easier to come to a compromise with Tusk that the Poles can live with and does enough to get trucks flowing more freely. There is going to have to be a balance between supporting Ukraine and ensuring a progressive like Tusk can govern securely. In the medium term, however, self-serving protests like this are going to ensure a move away from veto powers in the EU. The Union collapses otherwise.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

The last few posts have underlined the inability to think clearly and objectively - which is in itself a success story of our western media.

People who don't support Russia or the Zelensky led puppet government are now 'loons'.

The Overton window on here is that NATO and the EU - two cesspit organisations of what's left of the neoliberal world order - are 'the good guys' and their actions via their proxy: the corrupt Zelensky regime that's press ganging their own people and throwing them into the meat grinder, are acceptable and can be held up as the opposite to what Putin and his thugs are doing.

There's one born every minute.

Noam Davsky, ladies and Gentlemen.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

No mate.

It's down to two power blocs: Russia-China v NATO.

The Ukrainian Government are puppets of the latter and have been doing their bidding since 2012.

Its time to put all these infantile binary opposites of good v bad in the bin.

I'm glad you are going to do that mate. I look forward to more balanced posting from you in the future.

The Patterson thread will be better for it.

 

[davek]

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The Telegraph:​

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Counter-offensive ‘didn’t achieve desired results’, Zelensky admits​

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky poses for a photo after his interview with The Associated Press in Kharkiv CREDIT: Felipe Dana/AP

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Ukraine’s counter-offensive did not achieve its “desired results”, Volodymr Zelensky has admitted.
The Ukrainian president said: “We wanted faster results. From that perspective, unfortunately, we did not achieve the desired results. And this is a fact.”
He added that Ukraine did not obtain all the weapons it needed from its allies, and that limits on the size of its military halted a quick advance.
“There is not enough power to achieve the desired results faster. But this does not mean that we should give up, that we have to surrender,” he said. “We are confident in our actions. We fight for what is ours.”
He also admitted that “only the blind” could fail to see the consequences of international attention shifting because of the conflict in the Middle East, adding that Ukraine had to “fight for attention”.


Is this the first move toward a ceasefire and peace deal?

 

[davek]

We'll have to withhold some funds for Poland, then. Just as we have for Hungary.

In reality, the EU will find it easier to come to a compromise with Tusk that the Poles can live with and does enough to get trucks flowing more freely. There is going to have to be a balance between supporting Ukraine and ensuring a progressive like Tusk can govern securely. In the medium term, however, self-serving protests like this are going to ensure a move away from veto powers in the EU. The Union collapses otherwise.

Depends on what you mean by a progressive: a neoliberal who sold off state assets to the private sector and clamped down on Poles with austerity is about as progressive as the Tory Party.

 

[Drico]

Depends on what you mean by a progressive: a neoliberal who sold off state assets to the private sector and clamped down on Poles with austerity is about as progressive as the Tory Party.

This is the kind of thinking that ensured Brexit happened. Now, you've got an unfettered, unregulated wild west. See how well that turned out for you.

If you can't see the difference between Tusk and the Catholic ethno-nationalist kleptocrats in the PiS, well, that speaks volumes and suggests that some of your harshest critics on this thread have more of a point than I would have given them credit for.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

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The Telegraph:​

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Counter-offensive ‘didn’t achieve desired results’, Zelensky admits​

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky poses for a photo after his interview with The Associated Press in Kharkiv CREDIT: Felipe Dana/AP

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Ukraine’s counter-offensive did not achieve its “desired results”, Volodymr Zelensky has admitted.
The Ukrainian president said: “We wanted faster results. From that perspective, unfortunately, we did not achieve the desired results. And this is a fact.”
He added that Ukraine did not obtain all the weapons it needed from its allies, and that limits on the size of its military halted a quick advance.
“There is not enough power to achieve the desired results faster. But this does not mean that we should give up, that we have to surrender,” he said. “We are confident in our actions. We fight for what is ours.”
He also admitted that “only the blind” could fail to see the consequences of international attention shifting because of the conflict in the Middle East, adding that Ukraine had to “fight for attention”.


Is this the first move toward a ceasefire and peace deal?

Vlads objectives of his SMO, capturing Kyiv within days, installing a puppet government and bringing Ukraine under Moscows boot is going well isn't it!



But as always with you its anything but Putin and your murdering, rapist heroes.

 

[davek]

This is the kind of thinking that ensured Brexit happened. Now, you've got an unfettered, unregulated wild west. See how well that turned out for you.

If you can't see the difference between Tusk and the Catholic ethno-nationalist kleptocrats in the PiS, well, that speaks volumes and suggests that some of your harshest critics on this thread have more of a point than I would have given them credit for.

Clueless.

How do you bracket me with Brexiteers?

I made a point about Tusk and his free market ideology and less than progressive economic policies for the Polish people when last in power. Is that what a Brexiteer represents? They don't want the market and they reject austerity?

Put your thinking cap on and stop throwing your dummy out the pram - to mix metaphors.

 

[davek]

Vlads objectives of his SMO, capturing Kyiv within days, installing a puppet government and bringing Ukraine under Moscows boot is going well isn't it!



But as always with you its anything but Putin and your murdering, rapist heroes.

It's over for Zelensky. The internal politics is all against him now and the war is all but lost.

Time for him to pack his Acton Man gear away, fill a case full of US dollars, grab his wife and get out to the Cayman Islands to visit the fortune they squirrelled away courtesy of their oligarch mates.

 

[davek]

A 'comedy' sketch from 2012...about to become a case of life imitating 'art'.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It's over for Zelensky. The internal politics is all against him now and the war is all but lost.

Time for him to pack his Acton Man gear away, fill a case full of US dollars, grab his wife and get out to the Cayman Islands to visit the fortune they squirrelled away courtesy of their oligarch mates.