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[Mutzo Nutzo]

This was February:

"U.K. Ministry of Defense said approximately 40,000 to 60,000 Russians had likely been killed in the war. A leaked assessment from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency put the number of Russians killed in action in the first year of the war at 35,000 to 43,000."

By all accounts Wagner lost about 20,000 men in Ukraine.

I suppose in proportion to their numbers the claim that non-Russian Army fighters have taken the brunt of casualties holds water in that respect.

Depends if the MOD figures included DNR/LPR/Chechens/Wagner/Other PMC’s/Convicts or just regular RUAF personnel

I really don’t know - but if I had to commit I’d say non-regular forces fighting on behalf of Russia have taken the brunt of the casualties thus far.

Now there is a situation whereby PMC’s are now integrated into regular RuAF. DNR/LPR forces are mostly combat ineffective, they’ve run out of convicts and the Chechens keep running away so anyone doing the fighting and dying now will be regular RuAF.

What the actual human numbers are I couldn’t say. I don’t really believe any figure I see now. Vehicle losses are a different matter as they can be imaged, geo-located and recorded.

 

[davek]

Depends if the MOD figures included DNR/LPR/Chechens/Wagner/Other PMC’s/Convicts or just regular RUAF personnel

I really don’t know - but if I had to commit I’d say non-regular forces fighting on behalf of Russia have taken the brunt of the casualties thus far.

Now there is a situation nice whereby PMC’s are now integrated into regular RuAF. DNR/LPR forces are mostly combat ineffective, they’ve run out of convicts and the Chechens keep running away so anyone doing the fighting and dying now will be regular RuAF.

What the actual human numbers are I couldn’t say. I don’t really believe any figure I see now. Vehicle losses are a different matter as they can be imaged, geo-located and recorded.

Isn't that what @ramacca said and then you asked him to do more research?

It seems a decent shout tbf.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Isn't that what @ramacca said and then you asked him to do more research?

It seems a decent shout tbf.

I think there was a fair amount of spin and bias on his post and a gloss-over of the RuAF losses they’ve taken.

Regular RuAF have taken a lot of heat. For example the 1st Guards tank army got slammed in the battle for Kyiv, so much so that they were withdrawn back to Russia to be reformed. Then they got trashed again near Kharkiv last November, after which they were again withdrawn and have still to be reformed as an active service unit, such were their losses.

Yes non-regs have taken a hammering but so have regs

 

[davek]

I think there was a fair amount of spin and bias on his post and a gloss-over of the RuAF losses they’ve taken.

Regular RuAF have taken a lot of heat. For example the 1st Guards tank army got slammed in the battle for Kyiv, so much so that they were withdrawn back to Russia to be reformed. Then they got trashed again near Kharkiv last November, after which they were again withdrawn and have still to be reformed as an active service unit, such were their losses.

Yes non-regs have taken a hammering but so have regs

 

[Wizard]

That is an incredibly tough read. Especially the last bit about the little girl.

 

[Ollie d]

That is an incredibly tough read. Especially the last bit about the little girl.

Awful entirely. Hideous actions by arseholes that are likely to go unpunished. Maybe the Putin propagandists may think twice before cheerleaders for Russia.

 

[davek]

There's absolutely no verification for any of that. Maybe it did happen maybe it didn't.

 

[Yarrgh]

Every time I look at this thread Russia is on the cusp of losing within days!

Unfortunately there's no end in sight.

There's no winners here.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Trump Plots to Pull Out of NATO -- If He Doesn't Get His Way

Donald Trump is discussing how the U.S. might pull out of NATO or put it on "standby" should he be reelected and it not meet his demands, per sources.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[jaspercabbage]

Trump Plots to Pull Out of NATO -- If He Doesn't Get His Way

Donald Trump is discussing how the U.S. might pull out of NATO or put it on "standby" should he be reelected and it not meet his demands, per sources.

www.rollingstone.com

He was talking about it when he was president. Everything he did, and planned to do, was exactly what putin would want the US to do.
Odd that.

 

[Bedfordblue]

Trump Plots to Pull Out of NATO -- If He Doesn't Get His Way

Donald Trump is discussing how the U.S. might pull out of NATO or put it on "standby" should he be reelected and it not meet his demands, per sources.

www.rollingstone.com

Really can’t see ‘them’ letting him get back in power.
If the legal stuff doesn’t do for him, I predict a heart attack or similar debilitating / fatal medical emergency before the elections.

 

[ramacca]

The games up. If the US Empire won't allow Zelensky to sue for peace, the Ukraine people should demand it.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Really can’t see ‘them’ letting him get back in power.
If the legal stuff doesn’t do for him, I predict a heart attack or similar debilitating / fatal medical emergency before the elections.

I think that it might be mischief making but there is lots of chatter that Putin has had a heart attack and was found on his hotel floor. The amount of disinformation going around it is probaly just a yarn.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Russia's FSB increasingly "sabotaging" Putin's orders: Report

Many security service employees have been acting out, hoping to get fired, according to an investigative Russian publication.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Russian President Vladimir Putin suffers heart attack, found lying on floor: Reports - The Tribune

Chandigarh, October 24 Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly suffered a heart attack and was “resuscitated” after collapsing in his bedroom in Moscow, reports the mirror.co.uk. A video of Russian President Vladimir Putin has been fuelling speculation about his health after...

www.tribuneindia.com

Concerns Over Vladimir Putin's Health After Reports Of Heart Attack | What We Know

Concerns regarding Russian President Vladimir Putin's health have taken over social media. As per an unverified report from a Telegram channel run by a "Kremlin Insider", the Russian leader reportedly suffered from a heart attack last night and was later resuscitated. , World News, Times Now

www.timesnownews.com

Putin 'suffers cardiac arrest' sparking 'alarm' in Kremlin inner circle

Guards at Vladimir Putin's residence reportedly entered the Russian leader's apartment after hearing a loud crash before discovering the 71-year-old "lying on the floor next to the bed".

www.express.co.uk

Russian President Vladimir Putin suffers cardiac arrest, collapses in bedroom: Report - BusinessToday

In the last few years, there have been reports that Putin, 71, has multiple health problems but the Kremlin has denied all such reports.

www.businesstoday.in

Is it true that Russian president Vladimir Putin has suffered a heart attack?

A Telegram channel run by a Kremlin insider has claimed Vladimir Putin fell ill at the weekend

www.scotsman.com