Current Affairs Ukraine

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The massive danger for Ukraine...and it's why they won't go too far too soon...is that they risk being encircled in a Russian counter attack. They have to broaden the breach and get a lot of men and heavy equipment through to make that sort of big land advance stick. That's why any gains will be painfully slow and why Tokmak 20km to the south isn't going to be within reach in the late autumn and winter.

Yup - it takes time, resources and men to achieve it fully.

However what is the other option? Freeze the battle lines and enter into an uneasy truce with Russia?

Russia will simply rebuild its armed forces and go again at Ukraine in a couple of years. Ukraine has to fight on, it has to achieve a breakthrough and then broker a peace.

What comes after that is another story (NATO membership or NATO protection force)?

 

[Kev The Rat]

Yup - it takes time, resources and men to achieve it fully.

However what is the other option? Freeze the battle lines and enter into an uneasy truce with Russia?

Russia will simply rebuild its armed forces and go again at Ukraine in a couple of years. Ukraine has to fight on, it has to achieve a breakthrough and then broker a peace.

What comes after that is another story (NATO membership or NATO protection force)?

You yourself aren’t even convinced of this ‘Hail Mary’ but have no problems justifying it

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

You yourself aren’t even convinced of this ‘Hail Mary’ but have no problems justifying it

You haven’t got a clue - you’re nothing more than a mindless insect.

Totally irrelevant

 

[davek]

Yup - it takes time, resources and men to achieve it fully.

However what is the other option? Freeze the battle lines and enter into an uneasy truce with Russia?

Russia will simply rebuild its armed forces and go again at Ukraine in a couple of years. Ukraine has to fight on, it has to achieve a breakthrough and then broker a peace.

What comes after that is another story (NATO membership or NATO protection force)?

I could understand them trying to fight through the bitter winter months as they must realise now that - despite all the fine words from the EU and Biden - the political winds appear to be changing a bit. But time and logistics really are against them to make a decisive move.

The smart money is on the front line hardly budging for a hell of a long time. It could take years of that attrition in order for both sides to come to the table to do a deal.

 

[Kev The Rat]

I could understand them trying to fight through the bitter winter months as they must realise now that - despite all the fine words from the EU and Biden - the political winds appear to be changing a bit. But time and logistics really are against them to make a decisive move.

The smart money is on the front line hardly budging for a hell of a long time. It could take years of that attrition in order for both sides to come to the table to do a deal.

you have to undertand the likes of Mario Nutjob arent interested in Ukraine or the Ukrainian people per se.

He and the likes of Wallace, Heappey, Truss, Tugenhadt, Elwood are all out to play their pseudo-Imperialist games against Russia, nothing has changed in 200 years on that score. There's too many of them running around for it to be coincendental.

The institutions that produce the British ruling class are still turning out those more applicable to the mid 19th century and managing/hiding ill gotten gains in the "Spiders Web" of offshore banking and the deregulated nest of thieves that is the City of London. As time passes they just appear to be less competent as they fail to change. They are good at screwing the populace and extracting money from the British state though! And serving their US masters of course.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I could understand them trying to fight through the bitter winter months as they must realise now that - despite all the fine words from the EU and Biden - the political winds appear to be changing a bit. But time and logistics really are against them to make a decisive move.

The smart money is on the front line hardly budging for a hell of a long time. It could take years of that attrition in order for both sides to come to the table to do a deal.

Yup political winds are changing and yes they face time and logistics challenges but so do Russia. They also do not have access to endless supplies of arms, ammunition and supplies.

The introduction of ATACMS and GLSDB’s will seriously mess with Russias ability to maintain a coherent logistics strategy over an 800Km front and this will hurt them.

Poorly trained and equipped Russian conscripts are going to suffer greatly this winter in the trenches. After all they are up against a foe who is defending their country and their loved ones in a fight for their very existence.

 

[Tipp blue]

Not dying in hundreds of thousands for nothing ?

Cue your talk of death camps after the surrender ….

"I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
If being under Russian Rule was any good then former Soviet states wouldn't be failing over themselves to Join NATO.
People of Ukraine remember what it was like and have no intrest in going back.. apart from a staged referendum there's no indication that a majority of people in Ukraine expressed any intrest in being russian.
There are causes worth fighting and dying for and protecting future generations from trynical foreign rule is one..
a sunflower for every month of a failed invasion.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Not dying in hundreds of thousands for nothing ?

Cue your talk of death camps after the surrender ….

If that is your position then Russia should surrender to Ukraine to stop the poor Russians from the sticks, who do not want to be getting thrown into the meat grinder from being killed to satisfy an idiots desires.

 

[Tipp blue]

If that is your position then Russia should surrender to Ukraine to stop the poor Russians from the sticks, who do not want to be getting thrown into the meat grinder from being killed to satisfy an idiots desires.

Strangley the pro Russian element on here doesn't seem to care about Russian deaths only Ukrainian deaths.. go figure.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Strangley the pro Russian element on here doesn't seem to care about Russian deaths only Ukrainian deaths.. go figure.

Two trolls, one a multi, one an committed contrarian.

 

[Kev The Rat]

If that is your position then Russia should surrender to Ukraine to stop the poor Russians from the sticks, who do not want to be getting thrown into the meat grinder from being killed to satisfy an idiots desires.

We’ve been through this already if you’d care to read the posts

 

[Kev The Rat]

"I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
If being under Russian Rule was any good then former Soviet states wouldn't be failing over themselves to Join NATO.
People of Ukraine remember what it was like and have no intrest in going back.. apart from a staged referendum there's no indication that a majority of people in Ukraine expressed any intrest in being russian.
There are causes worth fighting and dying for and protecting future generations from trynical foreign rule is one..
a sunflower for every month of a failed invasion.

They’ve actually got no interest in being in Ukraine at all - most have them have fled west or in most cases to Russia itself

 

[Tipp blue]

They’ve actually got no interest in being in Ukraine at all - most have them have fled west or in most cases to Russia itself

According to UN at least 900,000 Ukrainian citizens have been forcibly relocated to Russia. If that's what you call fleeing then so be it. In other cases getting away from war, Russia was the only option within the means of people.

 

[tommye]

Not you buddy - I like you

Give it time mate...

 

[davek]

you have to undertand the likes of Mario Nutjob arent interested in Ukraine or the Ukrainian people per se.

He and the likes of Wallace, Heappey, Truss, Tugenhadt, Elwood are all out to play their pseudo-Imperialist games against Russia, nothing has changed in 200 years on that score. There's too many of them running around for it to be coincendental.

The institutions that produce the British ruling class are still turning out those more applicable to the mid 19th century and managing/hiding ill gotten gains in the "Spiders Web" of offshore banking and the deregulated nest of thieves that is the City of London. As time passes they just appear to be less competent as they fail to change. They are good at screwing the populace and extracting money from the British state though! And serving their US masters of course.

Atlanticism will always remain the dominant prism through which foreign policy - of any political stripe in Britain - is viewed. A complete subservience to Washington.

It's probably THE major reason why Corbyn was vilified so much. His domestic programme was bog standard old Labour. The reason the Tories and right wing Labour (now back in charge) detested Corbynism was that it took a very different view on all manner of geo-political disputes.