Current Affairs Ukraine

[Noisy noise annoys]

Wallace wasn't so keen to get the UK government to continue fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, after the US surrendered the fight. He said the UK alone couldn't continue without international allies. Why not? He could have got NATO countries to send weapons to the UK military in Afghanistan, he could have sent more British troops there and he could have demanded the UK government conscript UK kids into the army to fight in Afghanistan. Instead he whinged and whined and pointed the finger at the US Empire. Wallace proposes fighting to the last Ukrainian but never the last Brit.
No wonder he's done a runner while the Ukraine conflict is still going on. Or maybe he was put on garden leave like General Mark - Kiev will fall in 3 days - Milley. Wallace, like Milley, should probably concentrate on their gardens, and maybe attempt to become an expert in growing something a bit tricky to grow maybe tomatoes. Because they are certainly not military experts that's for sure.

Wtaf

 

[Mrk]

He wants kids to get to the front line - the odds on them or anyone else surviving are very low.

Would he do that with his own kids.

'kin rat.

You really are the most hilariously vacuous human. You either have the IQ of a donut or actively take pleasure in playing yourself up as a fascist fool on the internet. Either way, god help us all.

 

[davek]

You really are the most hilariously vacuous human. You either have the IQ of a donut or actively take pleasure in playing yourself up as a fascist fool on the internet. Either way, god help us all.

Another one on ignore.

About 6 now.

 

[davek]

Ukraine Foreign Minister Kuleba:

The question is whether what happens in the US Congress last weekend is an incident or a system I think it was an incident.

“We have a very in depth discussion with those parts of the Congress, Republicans and Democrats and against the background of the potential shutdown in the United States. The decision was taken as was, but we are not working with both sides of the Congress to make sure that it does not repeat again under any circumstances.

So we don’t feel that the US support has been shattered … because the United States understands that what is at stake in Ukraine is much bigger than just Ukraine, it’s about the stability and predictability of the world. And therefore I believe that we’ll be able to find the necessary solutions.

 

[Mrk]

Another one on ignore.

About 6 now.

Excellent, now I have carte blanche to point out your deeply troubling and malicious views without having to read your inane responses.

 

[tsubaki]

The whole region is being destabilised politically and militarily. Look what's happening now on Kosovo's borders...

The Kosovars really need to wind their necks in, a lot of the tensions in the region now are directly attributable to their own actions.

 

[davek]

The Kosovars really need to wind their necks in, a lot of the tensions in the region now are directly attributable to their own actions.

The Serbians will be blamed. They always are.

 

[davek]

Grant Shapps having to row back again this morning, this time over Royal Navy protection for shipping in the Black Sea:

Grant Shapps, Britain’s new defence secretary, backed away from reports that the UK Royal Navy could help protect commercial ships carrying Ukrainian grain and other food exports in the Black Sea. Over the weekend, following an interview with the minister, the Sunday Telegraph reported that “British Royal Navy could play a role in defending commercial vessels from Russian attacks in the Black Sea”.

“I don’t think that was a conversation I had with president Zelenskiy,” Shapps told a fringe meeting at the Conservative party conference, run by Royal United Services Institute think tank.

He added that he did not expect the Royal Navy would engage in any patrol efforts in the Black Sea, although he said the UK and other nations could play an advisory role to help Ukraine open up food exports.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Ukraine must actively recruit more young people to the front to prevent the pace of the counter-offensive from slowing down - former British Defense Minister Ben Wallace.

“The average age of Ukrainian soldiers at the front is more than 40 years. I understand zelensky’s desire to preserve youth for the future, but the time has come to reconsider the scale of Ukrainian mobilization,” the politician noted in The Telegraph newspaper.

Let’s put up the entire interview so that it can be viewed in context and not just in your amended format eh?

“Whisper it if you need. Dare to think it. But champion it you must. Ukraine’s counteroffensive is succeeding. Slowly but surely, the Ukrainian armed forces are breaking through the Russian lines. Sometimes yard by yard, sometimes village by village, Ukraine has the momentum and is pressing forward.

The men and women of the Ukrainian army are, once again, proving to us in Nato how much we have underestimated them. First, the Establishment doubted their ability to defend their nation from the initial Russian invasion. Too many states waited to see which way the wind would blow. The groupthinkers, with their computers and “Russia experience”, calculated that they could only hold on for a few weeks.

Having been proved wrong, they switched their pessimism to the counteroffensive. But they failed to grasp the importance of the human factor. They failed to spot in the Ukrainians the same spirit we possessed in 1939. They failed to recall Alan Turing’s quote that “Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine.” They failed to understand that, in war, the most precious commodity of all is hope.

Since the summer, Ukraine has again been learning on the job. Its forces are adapting tactics, absorbing lessons, and making the best of the equipment we have all gifted them.

They take UK equipment and achieve success rates far beyond expectations. I remember visiting a secret location abroad, but outside Ukraine, as we prepared Ukrainian soldiers on how to use StarStreak air-defence missiles. They had a week to train on a system we take months to master. A British sergeant pointed to a young Ukrainian, barely out of his teens. “He won’t let go of the simulator, and he won’t stop training until he never misses,” he said. That young man went on to down two Russian attack helicopters.

When hope is combined with the right equipment, there is no stopping Ukraine. It is our duty to keep that hope going and to back it up with funding and equipment until the job is done. That was why the British NLAW anti-tank missiles were so important. They showed that Russian armour could be stopped. And stop them they did, in the hundreds on the road to Kyiv.

We have a chance to help finish this. The Russian army is cracking. Ukraine has learnt new tactics to overcome horrendous minefields, and the Storm Shadow strikes are devastating Russian HQs. We are witnessing the beginnings of the battle for Crimea.

We need to give Ukraine the support it requires to see this war to the end. As defence secretary, I was so often confronted with reasons not to – mainly by people who wouldn’t know the difference between one end of a rifle and the other. Time was wasted having to overcome institutional inertia. We should be proud of our Chief of the Defence Staff and military leaders who demonstrated not just leadership within Whitehall, but internationally.

Before I left office, I asked the PM to match or increase the £2.3 billion pledged to Ukraine this year, to add to the £4.6 billion we have spent already. The UK is no longer the biggest European donor – Germany is.

This war can be won. Vladimir Putin is failing. Just as the human emotion drives Ukraine to success, it is also the inescapable flaw in Putin and his criminal regime. Romance, ego and revenge drove Putin to cross into Ukraine and it will be his undoing. His army has lost more than 2,500 tanks, 6,500 armoured vehicles and nearly 300,000 dead or injured. Not a single commander who led the major Russian units into Ukraine is still in place.

Putin is desperately grasping at the final two things that can save him – time and the splitting of the international community. Britain can do something about both. We must help Ukraine maintain its momentum – and that will require more munitions, ATACMSs and Storm Shadows. And the best way to keep the international community together is the demonstration of success.

Ukraine can also play its part. The average age of the soldiers at the front is over 40. I understand President Zelensky’s desire to preserve the young for the future, but the fact is that Russia is mobilising the whole country by stealth. Putin knows a pause will hand him time to build a new army. So just as Britain did in 1939 and 1941, perhaps it is time to reassess the scale of Ukraine’s mobilisation.

Let us not pause for one day. Let us see this through. The world is watching to see if the West has the resolve to stand up for our values and the rules-based system. What we do now for Ukraine will set the direction for all of our security for years to come”.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Let’s put up the entire interview so that it can be viewed in context and not just in your amended format eh?

“Whisper it if you need. Dare to think it. But champion it you must. Ukraine’s counteroffensive is succeeding. Slowly but surely, the Ukrainian armed forces are breaking through the Russian lines. Sometimes yard by yard, sometimes village by village, Ukraine has the momentum and is pressing forward.

The men and women of the Ukrainian army are, once again, proving to us in Nato how much we have underestimated them. First, the Establishment doubted their ability to defend their nation from the initial Russian invasion. Too many states waited to see which way the wind would blow. The groupthinkers, with their computers and “Russia experience”, calculated that they could only hold on for a few weeks.

Having been proved wrong, they switched their pessimism to the counteroffensive. But they failed to grasp the importance of the human factor. They failed to spot in the Ukrainians the same spirit we possessed in 1939. They failed to recall Alan Turing’s quote that “Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine.” They failed to understand that, in war, the most precious commodity of all is hope.

Since the summer, Ukraine has again been learning on the job. Its forces are adapting tactics, absorbing lessons, and making the best of the equipment we have all gifted them.

They take UK equipment and achieve success rates far beyond expectations. I remember visiting a secret location abroad, but outside Ukraine, as we prepared Ukrainian soldiers on how to use StarStreak air-defence missiles. They had a week to train on a system we take months to master. A British sergeant pointed to a young Ukrainian, barely out of his teens. “He won’t let go of the simulator, and he won’t stop training until he never misses,” he said. That young man went on to down two Russian attack helicopters.

When hope is combined with the right equipment, there is no stopping Ukraine. It is our duty to keep that hope going and to back it up with funding and equipment until the job is done. That was why the British NLAW anti-tank missiles were so important. They showed that Russian armour could be stopped. And stop them they did, in the hundreds on the road to Kyiv.

We have a chance to help finish this. The Russian army is cracking. Ukraine has learnt new tactics to overcome horrendous minefields, and the Storm Shadow strikes are devastating Russian HQs. We are witnessing the beginnings of the battle for Crimea.

We need to give Ukraine the support it requires to see this war to the end. As defence secretary, I was so often confronted with reasons not to – mainly by people who wouldn’t know the difference between one end of a rifle and the other. Time was wasted having to overcome institutional inertia. We should be proud of our Chief of the Defence Staff and military leaders who demonstrated not just leadership within Whitehall, but internationally.

Before I left office, I asked the PM to match or increase the £2.3 billion pledged to Ukraine this year, to add to the £4.6 billion we have spent already. The UK is no longer the biggest European donor – Germany is.

This war can be won. Vladimir Putin is failing. Just as the human emotion drives Ukraine to success, it is also the inescapable flaw in Putin and his criminal regime. Romance, ego and revenge drove Putin to cross into Ukraine and it will be his undoing. His army has lost more than 2,500 tanks, 6,500 armoured vehicles and nearly 300,000 dead or injured. Not a single commander who led the major Russian units into Ukraine is still in place.

Putin is desperately grasping at the final two things that can save him – time and the splitting of the international community. Britain can do something about both. We must help Ukraine maintain its momentum – and that will require more munitions, ATACMSs and Storm Shadows. And the best way to keep the international community together is the demonstration of success.

Ukraine can also play its part. The average age of the soldiers at the front is over 40. I understand President Zelensky’s desire to preserve the young for the future, but the fact is that Russia is mobilising the whole country by stealth. Putin knows a pause will hand him time to build a new army. So just as Britain did in 1939 and 1941, perhaps it is time to reassess the scale of Ukraine’s mobilisation.

Let us not pause for one day. Let us see this through. The world is watching to see if the West has the resolve to stand up for our values and the rules-based system. What we do now for Ukraine will set the direction for all of our security for years to come”.

there is nothing 'out of context' about the quote I selected.

This warmonger has requested that green t-shirt man seriously consider widening the mobilisation to include much younger people.

The rest is just your standard British warmongering rhetoric.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

there is nothing 'out of context' about the quote I selected.

This warmonger has requested that green t-shirt man seriously consider widening the mobilisation to include much younger people.

The rest is just the standard British warmongering rhetoric.

Never said it was out of context - only amended and abridged. The folks on here deserve to see the full statement so it can be digested in its full context.

As for lowering the recruitment age - that’s upto the Ukranian government. As it stands today they believe they can do the job with what they’ve got.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Never said it was out of context - only amended and abridged. The folks on here deserve to see the full statement so it can be digested in its full context.

As for lowering the recruitment age - that’s upto the Ukranian government. As it stands today they believe they can do the job with what they’ve got.

you said it by posting the whole lot, it could then be viewed in context, which inferred mine wasn't in context.

Also, despite what Ukraine may or may not think, it shows that the people in charge of their activities are ready to go tot the last Ukrainian, which we knew anyway.

 

[davek]

The men and women of the Ukrainian army are, once again, proving to us in Nato how much we have underestimated them. First, the Establishment doubted their ability to defend their nation from the initial Russian invasion. Too many states waited to see which way the wind would blow. The groupthinkers, with their computers and “Russia experience”, calculated that they could only hold on for a few weeks.
Having been proved wrong, they switched their pessimism to the counteroffensive. But they failed to grasp the importance of the human factor. They failed to spot in the Ukrainians the same spirit we possessed in 1939. They failed to recall Alan Turing’s quote that “Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine.” They failed to understand that, in war, the most precious commodity of all is hope.

Since the summer, Ukraine has again been learning on the job. Its forces are adapting tactics, absorbing lessons, and making the best of the equipment we have all gifted them.

They take UK equipment and achieve success rates far beyond expectations. I remember visiting a secret location abroad, but outside Ukraine, as we prepared Ukrainian soldiers on how to use StarStreak air-defence missiles. They had a week to train on a system we take months to master. A British sergeant pointed to a young Ukrainian, barely out of his teens. “He won’t let go of the simulator, and he won’t stop training until he never misses,” he said. That young man went on to down two Russian attack helicopters.

When hope is combined with the right equipment, there is no stopping Ukraine. It is our duty to keep that hope going and to back it up with funding and equipment until the job is done. That was why the British NLAW anti-tank missiles were so important. They showed that Russian armour could be stopped. And stop them they did, in the hundreds on the road to Kyiv.

We have a chance to help finish this. The Russian army is cracking. Ukraine has learnt new tactics to overcome horrendous minefields, and the Storm Shadow strikes are devastating Russian HQs. We are witnessing the beginnings of the battle for Crimea.

We need to give Ukraine the support it requires to see this war to the end. As defence secretary, I was so often confronted with reasons not to – mainly by people who wouldn’t know the difference between one end of a rifle and the other. Time was wasted having to overcome institutional inertia. We should be proud of our Chief of the Defence Staff and military leaders who demonstrated not just leadership within Whitehall, but internationally.

Before I left office, I asked the PM to match or increase the £2.3 billion pledged to Ukraine this year, to add to the £4.6 billion we have spent already. The UK is no longer the biggest European donor – Germany is.

This war can be won. Vladimir Putin is failing. Just as the human emotion drives Ukraine to success, it is also the inescapable flaw in Putin and his criminal regime. Romance, ego and revenge drove Putin to cross into Ukraine and it will be his undoing. His army has lost more than 2,500 tanks, 6,500 armoured vehicles and nearly 300,000 dead or injured. Not a single commander who led the major Russian units into Ukraine is still in place.

Putin is desperately grasping at the final two things that can save him – time and the splitting of the international community. Britain can do something about both. We must help Ukraine maintain its momentum – and that will require more munitions, ATACMSs and Storm Shadows. And the best way to keep the international community together is the demonstration of success.

Ukraine can also play its part. The average age of the soldiers at the front is over 40. I understand President Zelensky’s desire to preserve the young for the future, but the fact is that Russia is mobilising the whole country by stealth. Putin knows a pause will hand him time to build a new army. So just as Britain did in 1939 and 1941, perhaps it is time to reassess the scale of Ukraine’s mobilisation.

Let us not pause for one day. Let us see this through. The world is watching to see if the West has the resolve to stand up for our values and the rules-based system. What we do now for Ukraine will set the direction for all of our security for years to come”.

Ironic that Ben Wallace quotes the words of Alan Turing - the gay codebreaker who helped turn the war - when he was against gays being in the armed forces and has a history of voting down the law on same sex marriages....

 

[larrygobfiend]

The young Ukrainians are gone. They either have fled from Ukraine or are wounded, disabled or died. You can not mobilize what is no longer there.

A huge loss that will forever haunt that country.

End this war now!

There is no end to this war. The misery will continue for generations.

If the West suddenly cuts off its support and Ukraine surrenders, there will be concentration camps and mass executions. There’s no doubt in my mind about that.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

you said it by posting the whole lot, it could then be viewed in context, which inferred mine wasn't in context.

Also, despite what Ukraine may or may not think, it shows that the people in charge of their activities are ready to go tot the last Ukrainian, which we knew anyway.

Get over yourself.

Pointer…Don’t post amended or abridged articles from behind paywalls - either list the full article or don’t bother at all.