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[tsubaki]

we know what came after that in the nineties

So does she

Unrepentant

Make no bones about it for her the collapse of the ussr was an imperialistic victory for the west

I don't think you know anything about what happened in the nineties kev, if you did you'd have to admit who it was that did all the robbing.

 

[Kev The Rat]

I don't think you know anything about what happened in the nineties kev, if you did you'd have to admit who it was that did all the robbing.

Under pressure from the west

Read the shock doctrine by Naomi Klein

 

[tsubaki]

Under pressure from the west

Read the shock doctrine by Naomi Klein

so its the Russians who are simple rubes now?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

One for the braincell bros.

@Kev The Rat

 

[Kev The Rat]

so its the Russians who are simple rubes now?

The Shock Doctrine in essence centres on the exploitation of national crises (disasters or upheavals) to establish controversial and questionable policies, while citizens are too distracted (emotionally and physically) to engage and develop an adequate response and resist effectively.

A lot of people betrayed the country no doubt about it - including its leadership.

As I’ve said it’s given rise to todays situation where the Russians can not - will not - trust western involvement in their affairs

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Blah blah blah

Explain the rape and torture of civilians you fraud

 

[davek]

Far less ‘organised crime’ in the ussr than existed in western capitalist states of the time.

‘Organised crime’ came about after the end of the ussr not during it,

I know. I said in response to @Charro that criminality existed not that it was on the scale of western society crime.

It certainly was - and then some - after the fall of the Soviet Union and the turbo-charged rush to grab state assets took hold.

 

[davek]

The reds built the wall mate, they entrenched their views and brazenly tortured and murdered those they didn't like very much throughout East Germany.

WTF. You're dragging in issues of state crime against political enemies.

We're discussing something different here.

 

[Rita_Poon]

WTF. You're dragging in issues of state crime against political enemies.

We're discussing something different here.

Oh I fort we wuz talkin the soviet union in that period. They wuz all saints.

 

[peteblue]

Have a like, but there's an innate sadness in there also. Good for you for getting off your backside and pursuing a passion though, and the bonus of being so far away from Everton. May your statue be made of bronze, and oversee the fall of empires long after you have laid down your quill...

He was quoting the woman….

 

[tsubaki]

The Shock Doctrine in essence centres on the exploitation of national crises (disasters or upheavals) to establish controversial and questionable policies, while citizens are too distracted (emotionally and physically) to engage and develop an adequate response and resist effectively.

A lot of people betrayed the country no doubt about it - including its leadership.

As I’ve said it’s given rise to todays situation where the Russians will not trust western involvement in their affairs

so what is the difference between what happened in the 90s, and what the current Russian government is doing now?

 

[Wizard]

The Shock Doctrine in essence centres on the exploitation of national crises (disasters or upheavals) to establish controversial and questionable policies, while citizens are too distracted (emotionally and physically) to engage and develop an adequate response and resist effectively.

A lot of people betrayed the country no doubt about it - including its leadership.

As I’ve said it’s given rise to todays situation where the Russians can not - will not - trust western involvement in their affairs

Have you actually read the book or just the Wikipedia page’s first paragraph?

The Shock Doctrine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Kev The Rat]

so what is the difference between what happened in the 90s, and what the current Russian government is doing now?

Reversing the illegal maidan coup and protecting pro Russians from being attacked in the south west part of Russia.

I see no comparison between that and imposing disastrous free market reforms of dubious value

 

[Kev The Rat]

Have you actually read the book or just the Wikipedia page’s first paragraph?

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The Shock Doctrine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I did copy it from there yes as it was quicker for me to copy a short and what I consider to be reasonably accurate assessment

And yes I have read it

 

[Charro]

I did copy it from there yes as it was quicker for me to copy a short and what I consider to be reasonably accurate assessment

And yes I have read it

How much of the book is dedicated to western involvement in Russian economics in the 90s?