Current Affairs Ukraine

[Kev The Rat]

Which of the 4 oblasts was it though? No, they are not still there, we all remember the videos of Ukranian farmers with tractors getting the better of the mighty red army and their tanks, but you said he only went into the 4 oblasts, so I am just wondering which of those 4 oblasts borders Belarus?

I am talking about the situation as of today. Clearly they did move into certain other areas initially, but subsequently left. Whether they intended to occupy other areas or not isnt something either of us know. So lets deal in the facts as they are now.

 

[WA Toffee]

I am talking about the situation as of today. Clearly they did move into certain other areas initially, but subsequently left. Whether they intended to occupy other areas or not isnt something either of us know. So lets deal in the facts as they are now.

Ok, you forgot that he invaded from Belarus in an attempt to take Kyiv. That's fine, it happens. I won't bring it up again

 

[Tipp blue]

I am talking about the situation as of today. Clearly they did move into certain other areas initially, but subsequently left. Whether they intended to occupy other areas or not isnt something either of us know. So lets deal in the facts as they are now.

Of course they were planning on taking the whole country.. the massive convey that got bogged just north of Kiev tells you that.. they failed and retreated back towards home and held sham elections then dug in over the winter making the Ukrainian offensive an extreamly difficult task. Hence the slow progress as of today..
That's the facts as they are now.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Of course they were planning on taking the whole country.. the massive convey that got bogged just north of Kiev tells you that.. they failed and retreated back towards home and held sham elections then dug in over the winter making the Ukrainian offensive an extreamly difficult task. Hence the slow progress as of today..
That's the facts as they are now.

Odd then, that the only areas they seem to be in control of now, are the areas that voted to join Russia.

I dont think that is as coincedental as you seem to think.

 

[Tipp blue]

Odd then, that the only areas they seem to be in control of now, are the areas that voted to join Russia.

I dont think that is as coincedental as you seem to think.

They've been pushed back to those areas, and mined the hell out of it, also they aren't even in control of all of the areas they annexed and weren't even at the time of the sham referendum.. and not control even less than when they annexed.

 

[Kev The Rat]

They've been pushed back to those areas, and mined the hell out of it, also they aren't even in control of all of the areas they annexed and weren't even at the time of the sham referendum.. and not control even less than when they annexed.

You may well be right about them not controlling all of the annexed areas however the initial point was about Ukraine attempting to take those annexed areas back, I say no they shouldnt be allowed to as they have made their decision to join Russia.

 

[Tipp blue]

You may well be right about them not controlling all of the annexed areas however the initial point was about Ukraine attempting to take those annexed areas back, I say no they shouldnt be allowed to as they have made their decision to join Russia.

Wartime referendum have never been recognised anywhere or at any time in history. For obvious reasons.. it was never going to be recognised anywhere, and no matter the result Russia were always going to claim it as they did.
Could you have ever pictured a situation where Russia would have said, "only 45% voted to join Russia sorry about the invasion it's time for us to leave"?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Wartime referendum have never been recognised anywhere or at any time in history. For obvious reasons.. it was never going to be recognised anywhere, and no matter the result Russia were always going to claim it as they did.
Could you have ever pictured a situation where Russia would have said, "only 45% voted to join Russia sorry about the invasion it's time for us to leave"?

 

[davek]

Urban input x2 today...

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Hungary will not support Ukraine on any issue in international affairs until Ukraine restores “the former rights for ethnic Hungarians on its territory”, the Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, told his country’s parliament today.

Hungary has clashed with Ukraine over what it says are curbs on the rights of roughly 150,000 ethnic Hungarians to use their native tongue, especially in education, Reuters reports, after Ukraine passed a law in 2017 restricting the use of minority languages in schools.

AFP previously reported that the reforms had forced middle schools that taught in Russian and other minority languages to make the switch, while obliging shops, restaurants and the service industry to engage customers in Ukrainian unless clients specifically ask to switch.

It also reportedly regulated the use of language in Ukrainian culture, meaning that others languages could only be used in theatres in cases of “artistic necessity”.

A piece in Open Democracy said it was “another attempt to divide Ukrainian citizens” and that while would “be possible to change some of the law’s problems via amendment later … it’s impossible to change the message that the Ukrainian authorities have sent”.

Officials in Kiev said the initiative aimed to revitalise a national language that was subjugated first during the Russian Empire and then in Soviet times.

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Hungary is not in a hurry to ratify Sweden’s Nato accession, the prime minister, Viktor Orbán, told parliament on Monday, Reuters reports, flagging a further delay in a process that has been stranded in the Hungarian parliament since July 2022.

“I wonder if there is something urgent that would force us to ratify Sweden’s Nato bid. I cannot see any such circumstance,” he said.

 

[tsubaki]

Urban input x2 today...

1...

Hungary will not support Ukraine on any issue in international affairs until Ukraine restores “the former rights for ethnic Hungarians on its territory”, the Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, told his country’s parliament today.

Hungary has clashed with Ukraine over what it says are curbs on the rights of roughly 150,000 ethnic Hungarians to use their native tongue, especially in education, Reuters reports, after Ukraine passed a law in 2017 restricting the use of minority languages in schools.

AFP previously reported that the reforms had forced middle schools that taught in Russian and other minority languages to make the switch, while obliging shops, restaurants and the service industry to engage customers in Ukrainian unless clients specifically ask to switch.

It also reportedly regulated the use of language in Ukrainian culture, meaning that others languages could only be used in theatres in cases of “artistic necessity”.

A piece in Open Democracy said it was “another attempt to divide Ukrainian citizens” and that while would “be possible to change some of the law’s problems via amendment later … it’s impossible to change the message that the Ukrainian authorities have sent”.

Officials in Kiev said the initiative aimed to revitalise a national language that was subjugated first during the Russian Empire and then in Soviet times.

2...

Hungary is not in a hurry to ratify Sweden’s Nato accession, the prime minister, Viktor Orbán, told parliament on Monday, Reuters reports, flagging a further delay in a process that has been stranded in the Hungarian parliament since July 2022.

“I wonder if there is something urgent that would force us to ratify Sweden’s Nato bid. I cannot see any such circumstance,” he said.

Orban is a horror, but that law was wrong at the time and is still wrong now. We'd never accept it here.

 

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Russian media rhetoric could be ‘incitement to genocide in Ukraine’: UN

Some rhetoric disseminated by Russian media could amount to incitement to genocide, the Human Rights Council probe says.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[davek]

Orban is a horror, but that law was wrong at the time and is still wrong now. We'd never accept it here.

I know mate. It's a terrible law that undermines a democracy.

Imagine here if Welsh or Gaelic were proscribed.

 

[davek]

Duda on weapons to Ukraine:

Polish president Andrzej Duda has raised the prospect of providing Ukrainewith older weapons from his country’s arsenal after they are replaced with more modern equivalents, in an apparent attempt to defuse a row that caused relations to sour last week.

Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki said last week that Warsaw would not send any more weapons to Ukraine as it sought to restock its own military arsenal amid a simmering row over Ukrainian grain exports to EU countries which have caused prices to fall.

Duda said that that donating newer equipment is off the table. “This equipment must be used to strengthen the Polish military. We aren’t spending billions to just hand it over,” he said. “When the old equipment is replaced with modern hardware, I see no problem in sending it to Ukraine.”

 

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“Facts by themselves don’t mean very much... Everything begins not with facts, but with interpretations."

Russian Revisionism 2.0: The man behind Putin’s warped view of history

Vladimir Medinsky, Russia’s former culture minister and now a presidential aide has helped construct the ideological and historical edifice on which much of Putin’s rule rests.

www.dtnext.in

 

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