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[Kev The Rat]

The military will know. Why should they tell you?

You’re all over the place mate

You’ve gone from lack of organisation being a legit point in judging whether they know how many losses they have, to now saying they know absolutely everything

 

[Tipp blue]

There's a lot claimed of a breakthrough this week. I think that chimed in with Zelensky's visit to Washington so I'm sceptical.

In any case, winter is a natural brake on this war and the Russians will use it to further bolster its line of defence.

The `Intenational Red Cross - and western government's, if they are at all interested in allowing it - should be pressing for a ceasefire when the possibility of significant breakthrough is more or less parked for 4 months or so

Depends on how much further south Ukraine get... if supply routes come within range of artillery then they'll spend the winter picking off Russians as they attempt to bolster defensive lines. The biggest Ukrainian gains last year came in October and November, if something similar happens this year you could well see Russia desperate to get back to negotiations by spring next year.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Depends on how much further south Ukraine get... if supply routes come within range of artillery then they'll spend the winter picking off Russians as they attempt to bolster defensive lines. The biggest Ukrainian gains last year came in October and November, if something similar happens this year you could well see Russia desperate to get back to negotiations by spring next year.

Any ideas how soon top-gun will produce the much needed experienced pilots?

 

[roydo]

You’re all over the place mate

You’ve gone from lack of organisation being a legit point in judging whether they know how many losses they have, to now saying they know absolutely everything

Not all over the place. An organised military will know. Think the Uke miliary seems organised.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Depends on how much further south Ukraine get... if supply routes come within range of artillery then they'll spend the winter picking off Russians as they attempt to bolster defensive lines. The biggest Ukrainian gains last year came in October and November, if something similar happens this year you could well see Russia desperate to get back to negotiations by spring next year.

Actually think the hardline approach from Zelensky in terms of negotiations and what they want, tells you they know the Russians won’t negotiate

 

[tsubaki]

Actually think the hardline approach from Zelensky in terms of negotiations and what they want, tells you they know the Russians won’t negotiate

so they aren't refusing to negotiate because they are mere stooges of the west then?

 

[davek]

Depends on how much further south Ukraine get... if supply routes come within range of artillery then they'll spend the winter picking off Russians as they attempt to bolster defensive lines. The biggest Ukrainian gains last year came in October and November, if something similar happens this year you could well see Russia desperate to get back to negotiations by spring next year.

They weren't against the level of fortifications in place now though.

 

[Kev The Rat]

so they aren't refusing to negotiate because they are mere stooges of the west then?

No because they know there’s nothing that Russia will accept beyond total capitulation

As Lavrov said today they can have no trust in deals or ceasefires given the wests track record

 

[tsubaki]

No because they know there’s nothing that Russia will accept beyond total capitulation

As Lavrov said today they can have no trust in deals or ceasefires given the wests track record

I hear that Maskhadov said a similar thing back in the day

 

[Kev The Rat]

I hear that Maskhadov said a similar thing back in the day

What does a Chechen have to do with this ?

 

[peteblue]

Why would the Ukrainians have a very good idea? This is a conscripted army don’t forget - new people roped in every day presumably and sent to the front line and who knows what happens then exactly ? Like for like is replaced I assume

Unlike the Russian army made up of professional thieves, murderers and rapists from prison…..

 

[tsubaki]

What does a Chechen have to do with this ?

You mentioned "they can have no trust in deals or ceasefires", and he is one of the best examples of that.

 

[peteblue]

They weren't against the level of fortifications in place now though.

Fortifications are wonderful things until you break through them. If history has taught us anything, Maginot line etc, it’s that they can be overcome and then beaten…….

 

[davek]

Fortifications are wonderful things until you break through them. If history has taught us anything, Maginot line etc, it’s that they can be overcome and then beaten…….

Of course. The loss of life doing it will be off the scale. §§

 

[Kev The Rat]

We wrote that the Office of the President will convince everyone that the counteroffensive will not stop with the thaw so as not to put an end to the Azov operation.

Zelensky also predicted at Thursday's meeting with U.S. editors that Ukrainian forces would de-occupy two more cities captured by Russia. He did not say which ones.
And contrary to the expectations of military analysts from the West, Mr. Zelensky said Ukraine would fight all winter, without pause.