Current Affairs Ukraine

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Yet, you continue to dig absolutely nothing up about Putin, from sources such as Harpers, the New Yorker, the Economis, New StateAmanda, Guardian, Times etc.

Funny that ?

I'm not the issue here, the Ukraine-Russian War is. How about you and me and everyone else stick to that...

Putin is to blame for all this. Said it till I'm blue in the face. Russia is the aggressor and needs to get out of the positions it's held since Feb 2022.

But if you think that Zelensky and his crony regime get a free ride - forget it. They are preventing a settlement to this carnage now and they need to go...if only the great defender of democracy would allow an election in Ukraine....
 
Not every few weeks or so tough is it...

The nature of the weaponry is most important: nothing that can see Ukraine win this war.

Yes, the Democrats - a party much more minded historically for imperialist adventure - would like to drag this one out (on the cheap if possible) draining Russia. But the greater concern geo-politically for Washington is China. They (Democrats and Republicans) have a big policy in mind: wooing India and as another major piece in the jigsaw. They can't do that with this war still in play. And if Trump wins the next election then the aid Ukraine receives will become more of a trickle.
My thinking is Ukraine isnt the big item you seem to hope it is.

Abortion rights, Supreme Court - these are the things that will motivate people to vote to avoid a right wing government, and Biden's weak comments might be enough to get him over the line.

Nature of weapons - agree they cant boot Russia out - but they may be enough to keep the Ukes from complete capitulation, and them not falling apart is a concern for me.
 
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Im starting to think some of these MSM artricles and leaks about the west maybe getting tired of supporting Ukraine are deliberate deep state plants to appease (or semi-appease) those who really want the war to end.

The funding will go on, probably at an increased rate.
Bit fanciful that kev.

The ruling class in the US are genuinely split on the matter of funding Ukraine. The presidential election will be all about this war.
 
My thinking is Ukraine isnt the big item you seem to hope it is.

Abortion rights, Supreme Court - these are the things that will motivate people to vote to avoid a right wing government, and Biden's weak comments might be enough to get him over the line.

Nature of weapons - agree they cant boot Russia out - but they may be enough to keep the Ukes from complete capitutlation, and them not faling apart is a concern for me.
Ok, fair enough. There will be major domestic issues to debate and that will energise people too.

However, the Ukraine is the one soaking up the tax dollars and elections are usually won on people looking to make or save themselves money.
 
I'm not the issue here, the Ukraine-Russian War is.
Your obvious trolling of it is the situation is the issue you oompah loving deviant.

If you were close to 80/20 in pulling articles in favour of Russia/Putin it might be just about believable but you are pretty all one way for ignoring the agressor and attacking the victim.

You are a bad lederhosen wearing mess.
 
Seems a bit fanciful to me like, but...

The Economist:


The war in Ukraine has repeatedly confounded expectations. It is now doing so again. The counter-offensive that began in June was based on the hope that Ukrainian soldiers, equipped with modern Western weapons and after training in Germany, would recapture enough territory to put their leaders in a strong position at any subsequent negotiations.

This plan is not working. Despite heroic efforts and breaches of Russian defences near Robotyne, Ukraine has liberated less than 0.25% of the territory that Russia occupied in June. The 1,000km front line has barely shifted. Ukraine’s army could still make a breakthrough in the coming weeks, triggering the collapse of brittle Russian forces. But on the evidence of the past three months, it would be a mistake to bank on that.


Asking for a ceasefire or peace talks is pointless. Vladimir Putin shows no sign of wanting to negotiate and, even if he did, could not be trusted to stick to a deal. He is waiting for the West to tire and hoping that Donald Trump is re-elected. Mr Putin needs war to underpin his domestic dictatorship; any ceasefire would simply be a pause to re-arm and get ready to attack again. If Ukrainians stop fighting, they could lose their country.

Both Ukraine and its Western supporters are coming to realise that this will be a grinding war of attrition. President Volodymyr Zelensky visited Washington this week for talks. “I have to be ready for the long war,” he told The Economist. But unfortunately, Ukraine is not yet ready; nor are its Western partners. Both are still fixated on the counter-offensive. They need to rethink Ukraine’s military strategy and how its economy is run. Instead of aiming to “win” and then rebuild, the goal should be to ensure that Ukraine has the staying power to wage a long war—and can thrive despite it.

The first recalibration is military. Ukraine’s soldiers are exhausted; many of its finest have been killed. Despite conscription, it lacks the manpower to sustain a permanent large-scale counter-offensive. It needs to husband resources, and to change the game. New tactics and technologies can take the fight to Russia. Ukraine’s tech-savvy entrepreneurs are ramping up drone production: Ukrainian drones recently destroyed Russian warships; its missiles seem to have damaged a big air-defence system in Crimea. Many more strikes are likely, to degrade Russia’s military infrastructure and deny its navy sanctuary in the Black Sea. Don’t expect a knockout blow. Russia has also scaled up its drone production. Still, Ukraine can hit back when Russia bombs it, and perhaps even deter some attacks.


Alongside this offensive capability, Ukraine needs to boost its resilience. As well as heavy weaponry, it needs help with maintenance to sustain a multi-year fight: humdrum repairs, reliable supplies of artillery and training. More than anything, a long war requires better air defence. Ukraine cannot thrive if Russia blasts infrastructure and civilians with impunity, as it has for the past 18 months. Kyiv is a surprisingly vibrant city because it has effective defences against non-stop aerial attacks. The same set-up is needed for other cities, which is why squadrons of f-16s and more missile-defence systems are essential.

An economic recalibration is needed, too. That means fewer highfalutin plans for post-war reconstruction and more attention to boosting output and capital spending now. The economy has shrunk by a third and almost half of Ukraine’s budget is paid for with Western cash. In an odd kind of wartime Dutch disease the currency, the hryvnia, has strengthened even as private investment has plunged. With around 1m people bearing arms and millions having fled from the country, workers are scarce.

Ukraine’s economy needs to shift from relying on aid to attracting investment, even as the conflict keeps raging. From making more arms to processing more of what it grows on its farms, Ukraine has plenty of potential. The challenge is to get local and foreign firms to invest more, and to lure more Ukrainians back to the calmer parts of the country in the west.

Better security can help. The stronger Ukraine’s air defences, the lower the risk that a new factory will be blown up. The farther Russia’s navy is pushed back, the more safely exports can flow through Ukraine’s ports on the Black Sea. But economic reforms matter, too. More must be done to curb Ukraine’s long-standing corruption, with a priority on making the judiciary clean and impartial. And more action is needed to make doing business easier, from recognising qualifications that refugees have earned abroad to offering firms war insurance.

All this requires political will from Ukraine, but also from its friends in the West. In the long term, the best guarantee of Ukraine’s security is nato membership. Short of that, partners have promised a web of bilateral security guarantees. Equally important is what the European Union can offer: not just cash, but the prospect of membership. It is not easy to nurture a flourishing economy while being barraged with explosives—even Israel never had to face such a powerful aggressor. But Ukraine, unlike Israel, could one day be integrated into the world’s richest economic bloc. A roadmap for eu accession over, say, a decade, with clear milestones, would offer hope to Ukrainians and accelerate economic reforms, just as the same promise galvanised much of eastern Europe in the 1990s.

A new member of the club​

For that to happen a shift in mindset is needed in Europe. It has committed as much weaponry as America and far more financial aid. Yet it needs to step up further. If Mr Trump wins in 2024, he may cut back American military assistance. Even if he loses, Europe will eventually need to carry more of the burden. That means beefing up its defence industry and reforming the eu’s decision-making so it can handle more members.

The stakes could hardly be higher. Defeat would mean a failed state on the eu’s flank and Mr Putin’s killing machine closer to more of its borders. Success would mean a new eu member with 30m well-educated people, Europe’s biggest army and a large agricultural and industrial base. Too many conversations about Ukraine are predicated on an “end to the war”. That needs to change. Pray for a speedy victory, but plan for a long struggle—and a Ukraine that can survive and thrive nonetheless.■
 
Imagine running away with your family to stop your wife and kids being raped and murdered.

What a bunch of cowards eh.



Gobshite
Oh look, more insults. Well done. Does that feel better now.

I'm not blaming them. Please read what's there and not what you hope is there.
 
Your obvious trolling of it is the situation is the issue you oompah loving deviant.

If you were close to 80/20 in pulling articles in favour of Russia/Putin it might be just about believable but you are pretty all one way for ignoring the agressor and attacking the victim.

You are a bad lederhosen wearing mess.

Maybe, just maybe, Dave in all his glory as an arch bigot, has added Jewish people to his list of hate ?
 
Point on Chechnya that obviously started before he came to power. The Georgia question is a disputed territory again that had seperatists allied to Moscow who recognised them. It only lasted a few days. I don’t see either as fabrications personally.

I’m not saying putin is a saint - I wouldn’t put him as being any better a person than Joe Biden for example - but he actually is elected and does have a large section of support in the country for his actions.

He has made Russia a wealthier country since he came to power - it’s indisputable, and he is to be given credit for that.

Putin already had involvement in Chechnya before his came into power. It was he who orchestrated attacks on his own people to blame on Chechnya and he had a massive role in strategy over there

Do some reading about his time as Mayor of St Petersburg. The millions of pounds he disappeared, the mysterious deaths of those calling out his corruption. This even goes back to the 80's and his time in Dresden working as with the stasi and as part of the kgb

By the time he came into power Yeltsin had already sold the country off to the oligarchs to keep power as the people were ready to revolt due to a ,massive drop in the standard of living and huge amounts of corruption. Yeltsins last election was rigged, as the oligarchs took control of all the states media and no election since has been legitimate. Putin was put into power to protect the criminals that hijacked the countries as his hands were all over the corruption

The country was hijacked by a bunch of criminals and Putin was a massive part of that. For you to say he is elected and supported by a large section of the country is laughable and completely ignores the way he manipulated his way into power.

He is a criminal tyrant. There is no doubt about that. You can criticise Ukraine and the west whilst also acknowledging the horrors of the Putin regime.
 
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