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[Kev The Rat]

I’m not having a go, if I were you would certainly know about it. I have some sympathy for the position Russia was finding itself in prior to their invasion and indeed also backed the fact the Crimea had been Russian for a long time, it’s all there in the threads. I would suggest that you don’t be too defensive, everyone has an opinion…..

My main point is the balance of power, or equilibrium of power - which is a topic beyond the moralising that tends to go on here.

For example your emotive language 'Ukraine want to join NATO so they must be allowed', is part of that low level logic.

I believe justice and order emanates from opposing sides upholding their own interests.

Today’s international system is built not around a balance of power but around American hegemony.

 

[AndyC]

I say this with the utmost sincerity and I’m not playing the ref.

Can you please thread ban him, as he’s just pure poison in this thread.

To wish the starvation of thousands of people to suit his warped political agenda, is not the stuff of anyone sane or rational.

I‘m sure I‘m not alone.

I’m sure you’re not mate, his opinions on this deeply regrettable conflict disgust me as well however, moderation in this area of the forum is discouraged… for the present.

 

[AndyC]

no nation is starving to death as a result of this grain deal ending - clearly there are starving people, but they were starving before and during any grain deal, and will continue to do so.

And there you go again, revelling in the plight of those starving and to whom Ukrainian grain could be a lifeline.

 

[Kev The Rat]

And there you go again, revelling in the plight of those starving and to whom Ukrainian grain could be a lifeline.

how am I revelling in it? My point is I dont believe the Africans have been helped very much if at all by this grain deal. The majority of the grain went to already well-fed countries.

If you want to see this as having been a lifeline to poor people, thats up to you, but I dont see it that way.

 

[Goat]

how am I revelling in it? My point is I dont believe the Africans have been helped very much if at all by this grain deal. The majority of the grain went to already well-fed countries.

If you want to see this as having been a lifeline to poor people, thats up to you, but I dont see it that way.

If there isnt enough grain for the rich countries, how will the poor countries get there's?

Use your head only not for eat Kev.

 

[roydo]

how am I revelling in it? My point is I dont believe the Africans have been helped very much if at all by this grain deal. The majority of the grain went to already well-fed countries.

If you want to see this as having been a lifeline to poor people, thats up to you, but I dont see it that way.

Oxfam reaction to Ukraine and Russia's historic grain deal | Oxfam International

www.oxfam.org

Oxfam kinda disagrees. But what do they know compared to you?

 

[Kev The Rat]

If there isnt enough grain for the rich countries, how will the poor countries get there's?

Use your head only not for eat Kev.

the rich will take more than they need and forget about the poor - as always.

 

[Goat]

the rich will take more than they need and forget about the poor - as always.

Putin is potentially 1 of the richest men in the world, so if you are so anti-rich, why have you crawled up his arse Kev?

 

[Mrk]

Can't believe some of the stuff I am reading in this thread. It can only be the latest in a series of cries for attention, because nobody can be that thick to actually believe this nonsense.

 

[peteblue]

My main point is the balance of power, or equilibrium of power - which is a topic beyond the moralising that tends to go on here.

For example your emotive language 'Ukraine want to join NAT O so they must be allowed', is part of that low level logic.

But there is no ‘balance of power’ other than in nuclear warheads. Countries change and have to change their ambitions. Russia cannot ‘compete’ on any economical measure, manufacturing measure or even political measure with either the USA or China. Put aside their nuclear weapons and they cannot compete with Japan, India, France, Germany or the U.K. as individual countries. Times change, the British Empire is a historical chapter, like the Roman Empire and indeed the Russian Empire. The difference is that we’ve moved on and adapted to todays realities, Russia and Putin seem to be clinging onto the past while slowly undermining their own economic, political and military power…..

 

[Kev The Rat]

Putin is potentially 1 of the richest men in the world, so if you are so anti-rich, why have you crawled up his arse Kev?

I actually agree, that he probably isnt the best man for the job and is likely in it with the rest of them, but it is what it is.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Hearing that a new grain deal is being proposed

Ukraine gets nothing, so they've been excluded from the deal. Russia to be reconnected to SWIFT in the proposal.

Most likely the entire West will be left out of the grain deal. That basically means that Nato countries will have no extraordinary privileges to skim off the grain, the grain should end 100 % where is dictated on the agreements. What those countries do with the grain after that is up to them.

Recall that the earlier variant guaranteed shares to the west before anyone else, and consequentially a huge part of the grain was shipped directly to EU states. The new agreement with Turkey, as an intermediary and packager, some benefits and subsidies, but without dealing with the west.

Great news, for the worlds poor, if this happens.

 

[Prevenger17]

Putin is potentially 1 of the richest men in the world, so if you are so anti-rich, why have you crawled up his arse Kev?

When Tampa Bay pounded his beloved Chiefs into the dirt a couple of years ago, Kev had a massive meltdown and genuinely started to believe that the NFL was a scripted sport like wrestling because he couldn't cope with reality. I came to the conclusion then that he is simply not a well man. He lives in his own weird little world and logical questions like yours have no place in it

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Great news, for the worlds poor, if this happens.

 

[Mrk]

Hearing that a new grain deal is being proposed

Ukraine gets nothing, so they've been excluded from the deal. Russia to be reconnected to SWIFT in the proposal.

Most likely the entire West will be left out of the grain deal. That basically means that Nato countries will have no extraordinary privileges to skim off the grain, the grain should end 100 % where is dictated on the agreements. What those countries do with the grain after that is up to them.

Recall that the earlier variant guaranteed shares to the west before anyone else, and consequentially a huge part of the grain was shipped directly to EU states. The new agreement with Turkey, as an intermediary and packager, some benefits and subsidies, but without dealing with the west.

Great news, for the worlds poor, if this happens.

Probably hard for Ukraine to negotiate any deal anyway seeing as their primitive language requires them to communicate via grunts and an ancient version of charades.