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[Kev The Rat]

When Tampa Bay pounded his beloved Chiefs into the dirt a couple of years ago, Kev had a massive meltdown and genuinely started to believe that the NFL was a scripted sport like wrestling because he couldn't cope with reality. I came to the conclusion then that he is simply not a well man. He lives in his own weird little world and logical questions like yours have no place in it

People like you make me laugh. Its all about the points of view that people hold. I am not holding the approved point of view, so I take the flak. I accept that.

therefore, I am not bothered by it.

 

[Goat]

Hearing that a new grain deal is being proposed

Ukraine gets nothing, so they've been excluded from the deal. Russia to be reconnected to SWIFT in the proposal.

Most likely the entire West will be left out of the grain deal. That basically means that Nato countries will have no extraordinary privileges to skim off the grain, the grain should end 100 % where is dictated on the agreements. What those countries do with the grain after that is up to them.

Recall that the earlier variant guaranteed shares to the west before anyone else, and consequentially a huge part of the grain was shipped directly to EU states. The new agreement with Turkey, as an intermediary and packager, some benefits and subsidies, but without dealing with the west.

Great news, for the worlds poor, if this happens.

Turkey's Erdogan says Black Sea grain deal can be restored soon

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said after talks with Russia's Vladimir Putin on Monday that it would soon be possible to revive the grain deal that the United Nations says helped to ease a food crisis by getting Ukrainian grain to market.

www.reuters.com

In case people want to read the real version.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Turkey's Erdogan says Black Sea grain deal can be restored soon

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said after talks with Russia's Vladimir Putin on Monday that it would soon be possible to revive the grain deal that the United Nations says helped to ease a food crisis by getting Ukrainian grain to market.

www.reuters.com

In case people want to read the real version.

there is no version of the deal in the link you have posted. no detail whatsoever.

 

[Goat]

there is no version of the deal in the link you have posted.

I know Kev.

But my point is that mine is factual and yours is mostly make believe.

 

[Kev The Rat]

I know Kev.

But my point is that mine is factual and yours is mostly make believe.

you just said you posted the 'real version'

so where is the version of the deal?

 

[Yarrgh]

Wheat in Ukraine | OEC

Find the latest exports, imports and tariffs for Wheat trade in Ukraine.

oec.world

The main countries that Ukraine (n 2021) were exporting wheat to are Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria and Ethiopia. I think it's safe to presume that they got affected the most in 2022 and 2023.

Those seem to be countries that can ill afford disruptions to their food supplies.

 

[Goat]

you just said you posted the 'real version'

so where is the version of the deal?

There is no deal yet Kev.

You posted your version of events and I gave people an alternative version of events.

Its up the people to decide whether they believe a homicidal poor killer or a well respected news agency.

 

[Kev The Rat]

But there is no ‘balance of power’ other than in nuclear warheads. Countries change and have to change their ambitions. Russia cannot ‘compete’ on any economical measure, manufacturing measure or even political measure with either the USA or China. Put aside their nuclear weapons and they cannot compete with Japan, India, France, Germany or the U.K. as individual countries. Times change, the British Empire is a historical chapter, like the Roman Empire and indeed the Russian Empire. The difference is that we’ve moved on and adapted to todays realities, Russia and Putin seem to be clinging onto the past while slowly undermining their own economic, political and military power…..

this present day situation of a world without equilibrium is in fact a total anomaly - and one that has left political scientists scratching their heads. Nukes existed in the Cold War, yet balance existed then. I dont believe we have seen the last of it, as you seem to think.

 

[tsubaki]

this present day situation of a world without equilibrium is in fact a total anomaly - and one that has left political scientists scratching their heads. Nukes existed in the Cold War, yet balance existed then. I dont believe we have seen the last of it, as you seem to think.

so I guess you aren't looking for a multipolar world, then

 

[Kev The Rat]

so I guess you aren't looking for a multipolar world, then

You need at least one counter balance doesn’t have to be a group

 

[Prevenger17]

People like you make me laugh. Its all about the points of view that people hold. I am not holding the approved point of view, so I take the flak. I accept that.

therefore, I am not bothered by it.

Differing points of view are one thing, but you live in a world of utter fantasy. The wham you post doesn't constitute a difference of opinion, just a detached stream of incoherent tripe that no sane person could begin to untangle.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Differing points of view are one thing, but you live in a world of utter fantasy. The wham you post doesn't constitute a difference of opinion, just a detached stream of incoherent tripe that no sane person could begin to untangle.

Had my tripe consisted of ‘Slava Ukraine’ ad infintum you’d say nothing.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Differing points of view are one thing, but you live in a world of utter fantasy. The wham you post doesn't constitute a difference of opinion, just a detached stream of incoherent tripe that no sane person could begin to untangle.

The poor people of the world disagree with you Prev. You're relegated I’m afraid.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

how am I revelling in it? My point is I dont believe the Africans have been helped very much if at all by this grain deal. The majority of the grain went to already well-fed countries.

If you want to see this as having been a lifeline to poor people, thats up to you, but I dont see it that way.

Might have already been posted but

Share of grain export by country wealth​

Set of two pie charts showing the destinations of wheat and maize exported under the Black Sea Grain Initiative.

65% of the wheat was exported to developing countries and 35% to developed countries.
For maize, the proportion was almost equal: 51% was exported to developing countries and 49% to developed countries.

The United Nations World Food Programme (WFP – the largest humanitarian organisation in the world) also shipped wheat from Black Sea ports. As of July 2023, the programme had bought 80% of its grain stock from Ukraine, up from 50% before the war. Over 725 000 tonnes of wheat left Ukrainian ports to Ethiopia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Kenya and Djibouti during the implementation of the initiative.

Ukrainian grain exports explained

What has been exported through the Black Sea Grain Initiative so far and what has been the impact on food and grain prices?

www.consilium.europa.eu

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

You need at least one counter balance doesn’t have to be a group

You are supporting colonialism and imperialism.

You can "yeah but whatabout" but the fact is this is what you are championing.