Current Affairs Ukraine

[davek]

No mate, if there is any kind of system or document showing where mines are both sides will quickly know it. Ok Sergei the mines must be placed exactly 2.3 meters between each other, running in a north west direction. Or there is a fairly big piece of land and several hundred miles of front line and hundreds of ill trained soldiers just putting them in while moving backwards….you takes your choice…..

 

[davek]

And it probably suits the EU and US that Putin is "busy" in Ukraine, I see no reason why they would be in any hurry to end this war.

I can: economies facing massive inflation in Europe; Trump running on a ticket that plays on the suspicions of Americans that US tax dollars are going to a corrupt regime in eastern Europe where graft is a way of existence.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Ukraine won't forgive these daily attacks and especially upon civilians, or accept occupied land. This will go on for years if Russia don't withdraw from Ukraine. Even a peace settlement would most likely lead to a Ukrainian 'republican army' carrying attacks for years to come.

This is sickening but what Russia are inflicting upon Ukrainians everyday.

Chernihiv

 

[davids]

Probably best if they just gave up and went home really. Personally I cannot see Ukraine giving up, I cannot see the people or their forces giving up, this will continue until the end and Russian troops are removed from Ukraine. Of course Putin apologists and Russian supporters will say otherwise but somehow I can’t see it. The Ukrainians, unlike some in France and Germany are made of sterner stuff. The likes of Poland understand what happens if you give in……..

It really comes down to the amount of casualties that Ukraine are prepared to take ( we already know Putin cares little about the number of Russian lives it costs),worrying that 18 year olds are now banned from leaving the country. A whole generation of young Ukrainians could be wiped out. Given that even the US have admitted this will be a prolonged stalemate surely the humanitarian thing would be to broker a ceasefire?

 

[davids]

So, apart from the likes of Germany who screwed themslaves on Russian energy, what are the benefits to the USA of doing a deal. They are losing no troops, Russia is weakening by the day, the West is trying out and learning Russia’s war capabilities while testing armaments. Yes it’s costing money, but day by day Russia is becoming politically, financially and militarily weaker. Why would the USA or U.K. realistically give up supporting them……

Because of the numbers of Ukrainian casualties?

 

[Kev The Rat]

Ukraine won't forgive these daily attacks and especially upon civilians, or accept occupied land. This will go on for years if Russia don't withdraw from Ukraine. Even a peace settlement would most likely lead to a Ukrainian 'republican army' carrying attacks for years to come.

This is sickening but what Russia are inflicting upon Ukrainians everyday.

Chernihiv

You pumping out msm propaganda won’t change anything. Try and think a bit more rationally about the realities of the situation.

 

[Rita_Poon]

You pumping out msm propaganda won’t change anything. Try and think a bit more rationally about the realities of the situation.

that missile strike looked pretty reality to me like.

 

[Tramps_mate]

The Ukrainians are a client state of the US, UK and EU now. They'll do what they're told - and if they dont then they can kiss goodbye to a massive reconstruction handout.

Ukraine won't get a reconstruction hand out. We and the US will move in and charge them every single penny/dollar for the work and they will be indebted to us for eternity.

And by that, we will demand primary access to all their natural resources. That's all the Russians want too..

Exactly the same as Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya etc etc.. resources and oil. Its all these wars are ever about now.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

You pumping out msm propaganda won’t change anything. Try and think a bit more rationally about the realities of the situation.

Msm propaganda ?? It’s just actual footage of putins bombs hitting innocent people

Weird stance from you

 

[Mrk]

Jesus christ, this thread was bloody decent before the forum was locked - full of interesting nuanced debate. These last few pages make me wish the forum would be locked again.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Ukraine won't get a reconstruction hand out. We and the US will move in and charge them every single penny/dollar for the work and they will be indebted to us for eternity.

And by that, we will demand primary access to all their natural resources. That's all the Russians want too..

Exactly the same as Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya etc etc.. resources and oil. Its all these wars are ever about now.

There will be a huge handout but will have to be paid back
There has been much talk of using confiscated russian billions

 

[Tramps_mate]

There will be a huge handout but will have to be paid back
There has been much talk of using confiscated russian billions

Our confiscated transfer budget!!

 

[Kev The Rat]

Jesus christ, this thread was bloody decent before the forum was locked - full of interesting nuanced debate. These last few pages make me wish the forum would be locked again.

There was no nuanced debate at all. What we had was full on nato / neo-con bible bashing - and anyone who suggested the opposite was shouted down

 

[Kev The Rat]

Msm propaganda ?? It’s just actual footage of putins bombs hitting innocent people

Weird stance from you

Referring to his previous post mainly:

Prigozhin began to be afraid to get acquainted with prostitutes​

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Our confiscated transfer budget!!

Would be funny if not true