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I think you meant BAOR ……
Cheers @peteblue, of course that's what I meant.

On another note... as a few others mentioned the other day, the window for any invasion is getting closer and closer with a week or two to go.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, two US officials told Reuters news agency that weather conditions would provide a peak window for Russia to move equipment forward between about 15 February and the end of March



With more battalions, likely their heavy armour or support corps, preparing to move forwards and scheduled weapons drills coming up, it's not looking good.
 
Cheers @peteblue, of course that's what I meant.

On another note... as a few others mentioned the other day, the window for any invasion is getting closer and closer with a week or two to go.





With more battalions, likely their heavy armour or support corps, preparing to move forwards and scheduled weapons drills coming up, it's not looking good.

totally agree, it’s a done deal….
 
Is it though?
It's not a done deal. However, I think it's becoming more likely if they continue to amass the support troops at staging points.

It may still be sabre rattling - I hope it is - or they could be edging towards some form of incursion, which I suspect will depend on how the negotiations pan out.
 
It's not a done deal. However, I think it's becoming more likely if they continue to amass the support troops at staging points.

It may still be sabre rattling - I hope it is - or they could be edging towards some form of incursion, which I suspect will depend on how the negotiations pan out.

Unless NATO bends to his demands, and they can’t because a China invasion of Taiwan will also follow, then Putin cannot fall back without embarrassment. He may as well give it a go while he’s got everything in place, Ukraine not in NATO, Germany and France bending over backwards, and a soft American President……
 
Unless NATO bends to his demands, and they can’t because a China invasion of Taiwan will also follow, then Putin cannot fall back without embarrassment. He may as well give it a go while he’s got everything in place, Ukraine not in NATO, Germany and France bending over backwards, and a soft American President……
Do not agree re: Taiwan. They still would have to commandeer every fishing junk from Canton to Shanghai to pull it off, that process would be real obvious, and we would show up in force if we were so inclined.

Given how many businesses would be impacted, my money is on a blockade if Beijing tries, and on them choosing not to send half the PLA to Davy Jones' locker. Once they have at least a real green-water navy (or we are under more isolationist management), we can talk about whether or not the U.S. could be taken by surprise/choose to sit that one out.

This situation is very different because the Russians have total supremacy on the ground and a great big land border to keep the opposition guessing. They can steamroll Kiev just as easily as they steamrolled Crimea. The situation wouldn't be much different than it would have been during the Cold War if they chose to keep going westward - the only real things that would change would be the names of the dirt on the map that they'd run over before we could muster a coordinated response, most likely at the Vistula and its tributaries. During the Cold War they probably would have gotten to the Weser since they (cleverly) already had the Elbe in the bag.
 
Looks to me like the American industrial/miltary consortium is bigging up the idea of conflict. The American hawks.
Oh how they would love a good little war. Millions of dollars worth of high tech equipment trashed and having to be replaced.
Should replenish their coffers nicely.
 

The important point here is the deployment map.

Flipping Belarus appears to have won Putin Ukraine sooner or later, whether or not he goes in now. There's no way they can stop a drive on Kyiv from that direction, because he can hit them quickly from both sides of the Dnieper. Hitler had parity on the ground and the Luftwaffe. He was able to drive the BEF out in eighteen days and take Paris in a month. This is kitten vs. mastiff over half the distance across much easier dirt. That token blocking force on Poland's border is also important. They're there so that if there's an incident, Moscow can put the question to us of whether we'd like to escalate in a lost situation or retreat behind the Poland/Baltic border.

That is an utterly miserable border that both NATO and the EU will potentially have to defend. The EU can't defend its Scandinavian members without the US and UK. I can't see EU repudiating the mutual defense clause they added in Lisbon. I can see Putin having a blast shuffling forces around to widen existing political divisions within the EU and NATO.

Macron might be right. Putin doesn't have to move now. He can simply wait. Adding Ukraine to NATO makes matters worse, because it requires doing something about Crimea and worsens the tactical situation. That isn't happening, so he can simply apply pressure and money over time to get what he wants.

Thinking of NATO as a political entity in the decade following the Cold War, and turning the EU into a mutual defense entity, appears to have been an enormous mistake.
 
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The important point here is the deployment map.

Flipping Belarus appears to have won Putin Ukraine sooner or later, whether or not he goes in now. There's no way they can stop a drive on Kyiv from that direction, because he can hit them quickly from both sides of the Dnieper. Hitler had parity on the ground and the Luftwaffe. He was able to drive the BEF out in eighteen days and take Paris in a month. This is kitten vs. mastiff over half the distance across much easier dirt. That token blocking force on Poland's border is also important. They're there so that if there's an incident, Moscow can put the question to us of whether we'd like to escalate in a lost situation or retreat behind the Poland/Baltic border.

That is an utterly miserable border that both NATO and the EU will potentially have to defend. The EU can't defend its Scandinavian members without the US and UK. I can't see EU repudiating the mutual defense clause they added in Lisbon. I can see Putin having a blast shuffling forces around to widen existing political divisions within the EU and NATO.

Macron might be right. Putin doesn't have to move now. He can simply wait. Adding Ukraine to NATO makes matters worse, because it requires doing something about Crimea and worsens the tactical situation. That isn't happening, so he can simply apply pressure and money over time to get what he wants.

Thinking of NATO as a political entity in the decade following the Cold War, and turning the EU into a mutual defense entity, appears to have been an enormous mistake.
Russia are in the driving seat. They can do what they want within their own borders and there ain't nothing we can do about it.

I'm going to predict Russia don't go outside of their border and the west gets tired and loses interest. Within 2 years or so, Ukraine has a Russian "friendly" government.

Unless shale oil becomes a very big thing, which is the main thing of concern over Ukraine, outside of Ukraine that is.
 
Why is this still making the headlines, I wonder? There is obv not going to be a war in E. Ukraine, if Putin wanted to invade and annex part/all of Ukraine he wouldn't have waited this long. Shouldn't waste our time.
 
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