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[tsubaki]

I admire your faith or trust in the inherent goodness of people. It's not that I don't share much of the same but, at this moment in time, given the evidence we have I'm not at all sure Americans (or Europeans) are all that willing to sacrifice much for Ukraine.

There are tens of millions in this country more arsed about a trucker protest in Canada (Trudeau = tyrant) than an invasion of Ukraine (Putin = genius). Nary a negative word about Putin at CPAC. There are political candidates praising Putin for his defending "Christian values". Hack political "reporters" moaning about gas prices to the POTUS in the midst of this atrocity.

We are a good people but, at this point in time and in far too many cases, an unserious lot that is infected with ADD and a sense of entitlement no "other" is going to infringe upon. FFS, all over right-wing radio yesterday was the claim Putin is doing a better job "protecting" his borders that we are ours.

A lot of that is the people who I was on about though, using their media power to influence the rest into backing something that is indefensible otherwise.

I mean there isn’t a grassroots support of Russia, is there? It’s just the same talking head traitors again.

 

[daza_1973]

Well, if that is how you feel it is sad to understand.

They might be a limited musically but I just cannot believe that others might think that the music is so bad that it warrants an invasion! Shocking stuff.

Thats unfair - Ironically ' in the army now' actually had a key change in it.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

Jesus christ no. Hitler lost.

General consensus amongst the counterfactual historians is that Nazi-Germany would've crumbled anyway.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

While I agree with the concerns and there's some important points to not be disregarded, Afghanistan and Europe / The Baltic States aren't one and the same.

The US is the biggest component of NATO in terms of troops, spending and intelligence, so their demise is not on their agenda. Russia ≠ Afghanistan too.

I know it's difficult because of what's happened now and in the past, but honestly they will be protected.

I hope you're right.

 

[Charro]

Can we stop the what about rubbish

Yes, the west, and our democracies aren’t perfect but compared to Russia we are 100% the good guys.

Again, yes, we have let this happen, turning a blind eye to Russian aggression in exchange for money, letting them influence our elections, but this has no gone way beyond that.

We all know the mistakes the west has made but some of this stuff in this thread is nonsense.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

I hope you're right.

If Nato was serious, they'd give ICBM's to the baltic states. That's the security guarantee right there.

 

[tsubaki]

If Nato was serious, they'd give ICBM's to the baltic states. That's the security guarantee right there.

Why? They’d be useless.

 

[Death]

Ah, right. Not because there are two other large, bellicose powers constantly seeing what they can get away with in the world who are much less benign than the (admittedly not all that benign) US.

Why do the Baltic nations, for example, want to join NATO?

Ah, right. Not because there are two other large, bellicose powers constantly seeing what they can get away with in the world who are much less benign than the (admittedly not all that benign) US.

Why do the Baltic nations, for example, want to join NATO?

Same reason as above. They want that brand of "protection" and "free democracy" the empire sells.

Break em of a little o that democracy, give em coca cola for thier property.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

If they’re not defended, NATO ceases to exists. That’s too big a price in itself.

But we keep saying UKR is not a member and so on. But when they pressed for membership we told them it's too risky.

So in the end, it's not bcs of technicality, NATO lacks the coordination to fight v Russia as of today, be it for a member or a non member.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

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God damn you Putin. You power hungry imperialst. Let them have Ukraine. Do you not have enough?

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[Lobster Johnson]

Same reason as above. They want that brand of "protection" and "free democracy" the empire sells.

Break em of a little o that democracy, give em coca cola for thier property.

Ahh, I see. Whereas without any protections from more powerful allies, China and Russia would just drop a basket of muffins off every few weeks.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

Why? They’d be useless.

Would he risk the nuclear obliteration of Moscow to occupy three small countries?

 

[grandjoeblue]

If Nato was serious, they'd give ICBM's to the baltic states. That's the security guarantee right there.

Yes let's give out nuclear weapons. That seems like a great idea. What could go wrong?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The same reason the mafia tell a poor shop owner "it'll be a shame if anything happened to your establishment"

Or the same reason a lot of countries volentirley surrendered to emprires over the millenia.

The mafia = Russia
NATO = the police