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[Moomin]

Genuinely asking, what are these posts in my history that you feel butthurt?

Me talking about Jokic and Nuggets on NBA thread, or my comments about Mourinho, or posting in History section?
Or you and me having conversation about Leopard and Abrams tanks few months back in this very thread where i argued Ukraine should get more tanks than only 80? Last i remember it was civil conversation.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

According

According to geolocation, this column was still few kilometers behind Ukrainian line, so maybe they didn't expecting it, some kind of staging area.
Though its weird how close were Russian drones flying over them, no anti-air defence was visible on videos posted online

Anyway, according to some reports it seems Ukrainian units reached village of Lobkove, thats supposed to be 1st Russian defense line

They’ve taken Lobkove

 

[stipe]

They’ve taken Lobkove

I guess that should put them in good position to bring more forces forward. According to American satellites images, there are two more defensive lines in this section of the front.

But yeah this is it, considering number of images of Western vehicles being employed, this is probably main direction of counter-offensive, though they also attacking at Bakhmut, but probably to draw some Russian forces there.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Genuinely asking, what are these posts in my history that you feel butthurt?

Me talking about Jokic and Nuggets on NBA thread, or my comments about Mourinho, or posting in History section?
Or you and me having conversation about Leopard and Abrams tanks few months back in this very thread where i argued Ukraine should get more tanks than only 80? Last i remember it was civil conversation.

I have to humbly apologize to you. We have had so many stupid comments on here lately with their drama induced rhetoric that it is hard to distinguish the wheat from the chaff. I do see you have provided thought provoking discussion which has been drowned out by the whataboutery crowd as we call them.

After this tank issue it seems I have to eat Crowe with Tsubuki as well. After the Russia tank tactics which led to their demise are happening now to the Ukes whom I thought would have better training. Scratching my head on todays news.

 

[stipe]

I have to humbly apologize to you. We have had so many stupid comments on here lately with their drama induced rhetoric that it is hard to distinguish the wheat from the chaff. I do see you have provided thought provoking discussion which has been drowned out by the whataboutery crowd as we call them.

After this tank issue it seems I have to eat Crowe with Tsubuki as well. After the Russia tank tactics which led to their demise are happening now to the Ukes whom I thought would have better training. Scratching my head on todays news.

No hard feelings, last few pages, seems there was quite a fiery debate on this thread.

And yeah, Oryx on Twitter (guy who counting losses for both sides) saying that Ukrainians lost 10-13 Bradleys in last few days, that is significant chunk, at least it seems crews mostly survived, so at least thats good.
Weirdest of all (at least to me) is how Russian drones operate so close to Ukrainian columns and then correcting their arty.

But reading some last reports it seems Ukrainian infantry got a toe in Russian 1st line, so there is a progress, there are hellish fights there last few days.

 

[Bedfordblue]

And yeah, Oryx on Twitter (guy who counting losses for both sides) saying that Ukrainians lost 10-13 Bradleys in last few days, that is significant chunk, at least it seems crews mostly survived, so at least thats good.
Weirdest of all (at least to me) is how Russian drones operate so close to Ukrainian columns and then correcting their arty.

Assume you referencing this grouping?


Does seem very naive and contrary to SOP.

 

[stipe]

Assume you referencing this grouping?
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Does seem very naive and contrary to SOP.

I made a mistake its actually Julian Röpcke who said 13, he is pro-Ukrainian Bild journalist famous that he panic for every little setback

According to Oryx

 

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[Taifi gorm]

This should the first up in court.

An Ancient, Brutal Massacre May Be the Earliest Evidence of War

Even nomadic hunter-gatherers engaged in deliberate mass killings 10,000 years ago

www.smithsonianmag.com

Either that or anyone should be able to do anything because the people of Nataruk were massacred 10,000 years ago by a group of baddies.

Careful we don't know both sides.

 

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[Martin Alvito]

Tough doge.

 

[PhilM]

Assume you referencing this grouping?
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Does seem very naive and contrary to SOP.

There's footage out there, which reportedly shows the contact.

What's coming out from across the front is that, due to dense minefields and lack of mine clearing equipment, Ukraine is being forced into dense, cleared routes.

Due to the nature of the battlefield/terrain, there's going to be examples like this: bunched up tactical column until a break through. They'll take loses too.

We here in the west have to some extent being spoilt (if that's the correct term?): Ukraine lack the air superiority, cruise missiles and training we've had.

So, this was never going to be the fast, sweeping victories like experienced in the Gulf and elsewhere; this was never going to be a quick, bloodless victory.

What we've got to hope is that the UKA quickly learn their lesson and make the suitable tactical adaptations. If they break through the line, it'll be smoother.

It's not nice to see equipment being lost, but it's the nature of war. Some will be recovered and put back into service, but if not, it’s all about sustainability.

Let's not get stuck on losing one tank and a few IFV, regardless of how precious they are, compared to the sheer number of losses the Russians have faced.

 

[Martin Alvito]

There's footage out there, which reportedly shows the contact.

What's coming out from across the front is that, due to dense minefields and lack of mine clearing equipment, Ukraine is being forced into dense, cleared routes.

Due to the nature of the battlefield/terrain, there's going to be examples like this: bunched up tactical column until a break through. They'll take loses too.

We here in the west have to some extent being spoilt (if that's the correct term?): Ukraine lack the air superiority, cruise missiles and training we've had.

So, this was never going to be the fast, sweeping victories like experienced in the Gulf and elsewhere; this was never going to be a quick, bloodless victory.

What we've got to hope is that the UKA quickly learn their lesson and make the suitable tactical adaptations. If they break through the line, it'll be smoother.

It's not nice to see equipment being lost, but it's the nature of war. Some will be recovered and put back into service, but if not, it’s all about sustainability.

Let's not get stuck on losing one tank and a few IFV, regardless of how precious they are, compared to the sheer number of losses the Russians have faced.

Dunno, dude, I'm just listening to stuff like Tears for Fears. Insufficient brain cells to compute.