excuse me dear, aren't you all for capital punishment?
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I honestly don’t know. The loss of the aircraft at a cost north of £260million the loss of upto 24 servicemen and women. The degradation of our ISR assets ( we only have 3 RJ’s in total in the RAF). All combined I’d say it would be enough to have drawn us into the war albeit in a limited capacity if that would be possible.
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Yarrgh
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It's an odd situation where the "critical thinkers" and those wanting us act in the correct manner against our base nature align.
Yarrgh
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Let us all be thankful that this was just a near miss. The unfortunate fact is that the longer this goes on, the likelihood of one of these events leads to a serious incident and escalation.
I don't know what would happen if the Russian missile had hit its target, but it is easy to see how this escalates up to def con 1 if we and de facto NATO get involved. I don't envy anyone making those decisions.
Amen brother.
Glasshalffull
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I'm not saying that it was a very isolated rogue bunch of scumbags that did the beheading. The Russian government seems to have been actively recruiting scum into their forces, and it may well be the policy of their military to terrorise both Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. That still doesn't mean that the bulk of the Russian army, subjected to endless unopposed propaganda, and consisting of 19 year old Dymitri, who desperately wants his mum every time he's under fire, and 24 year old Bogdan, who feeds the ducks in the park each Sunday, and has a strange affection for some foreign football team called Everton, deserve to be treated as less than human.
We're all human, and naturally want to punish the filth who murder prisoners for fun, but let's not get drawn down to the level where we want anyone in the enemy uniform to be shot against a wall. We're all part of the human family, like it, or not.
Spadge Vernacular
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Schröder says all Germans must take blame for the Holocaust
The German chancellor Gerard Schröder yesterday used a commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz 60 years ago to declare that ordinary Germans were responsible for the Holocaust.
Who mentioned anything about retaliatory killing of Russian POW’s?
My point is that the Russian army appears devoid of any serious command and control at every level. They’ve lost their way and allowed themselves to become something that is undeniably a complete mess.
To allow this systemic maltreatment of POW shows that they are truly an unprofessional gang of scruffs.
Glasshalffull
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Don't disagree with a word of that, mate.
At some point, they`re going to run out of able bodied men, who are capable of fighting, surely those with military experience, around Putin must see this ?
I appreciate, that they`re fearful of speaking out, for very obvious reasons, but surely at some point, even mad bad Vlad, will realise this too.
I suspect they know that already, hence the reports of significant casualties due to meat grinder tactics - troops deployed and asked to advance with little support.
The Russian army already had a chronic issue with inexperienced and incompetent NCOs and officers, so in the short-term this will only exacerbate that.
Putin and the upper echelons will have no issue with a high loss rate as long as they have enough men to conscript and push into combat to gain the advantage.
On the other hand, long-term they're going to have a wealth of experienced troops, or at least those who survive. NCOs and officers will gain invaluable experience.
Until then, they're going to keep having a high rate of wounded, killed or absconding, without even considering the loss of equipment.
TBH, the slide (image) is not as bad as I imagined. It just looks like a few of their vehicles are not in situ
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