The UK isn't invading Ukraine. You brought up the UK.
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The UK isn't invading Ukraine. You brought up the UK.
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Well, you started it with, 'all invading forces', presumably everywhere and everywhen. You can't expect to hurl out such a huge and unsubstantiated allegation without attracting a significant level of debate and dispute. You definitely can't then retreat into some 'Ukraine remarks, only' burrow, in all fairness, mate.
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"I have no evidence and I resent you asking for it"
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Ukraine war: Nato pledges to provide more weapons and fix power grid
Millions of Ukrainians remain without power and water in freezing temperatures after Russian strikes.
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Nato has pledged to give more weapons to Ukraine and help fix critical energy infrastructure badly damaged by massive Russian missile and drone strikes.
At a summit in Bucharest, the secretary general of the military alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, accused Moscow of "trying to use winter as a weapon of war".
The Russian strikes have left millions of Ukrainians without electricity and running water in freezing temperatures.
Ukraine has for months been asking Nato for more advanced air defence systems.
Under the Geneva conventions, attacks on civilians, or the infrastructure vital to their survival, could be interpreted as a war crime.
Earlier this week, Ukraine's prosecutor-general told the BBC that the Russian attacks amounted to genocide.
At a gathering in Berlin, justice ministers of the G7 group of wealthy nations said they would co-ordinate investigations into alleged war crimes committed in Ukraine.
"Judicial examination of the atrocities committed in Ukraine will take years, perhaps even decades. But we will be well prepared - and we will persist for as long as it takes," said German Justice Minister Marco Buschmann.
Russian President Vladimir Putin - who ordered a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February - and other senior Kremlin officials deny the allegations that Russian troops are committing war crimes.
In a separate development on Tuesday, Ukraine's First Lady Olena Zelenska told lawmakers in the UK Parliament in London that Ukrainians were going through a terror similar to that experienced by the UK in World War Two, when Nazi Germany bombed cities in the blitz.
"Victory is not the only thing we need, we need justice," Mrs Zelenska said, adding she "came to you for justice, because it will lead to the end of this war".
Speaking at the start of the two-day gathering of Nato foreign ministers in the Romanian capital, Mr Stoltenberg said: "Russia is actually failing on the battlefield. In response to that they are now attacking civilian targets, cities because they're not able to win territory."
His words were echoed by UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly, who said that Russia was aiming to "freeze the Ukrainians into submission".
Later on Tuesday, Nato issued a statement that said Russia's persistent attacks on Ukrainian civilian and energy grids were "depriving millions of basic human services".
Nato members would assist Ukraine in repairing its energy infrastructure and protecting people from missile attacks, the statement added.
And appearing at a joint news conference with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba, Mr Stoltenberg said: "We will stand by Ukraine as long as it takes, we will not back down.
"We realise that it is extremely important that President Putin is not able to win in Ukraine. That will be a tragedy for Ukraine, but it will also make the world more dangerous and much more vulnerable."
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Would that 'help fix' infrastructure involve NATO troops on the ground?
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What an absolute coward this rat is.
Von der Leyen said today that 100 000 Ukrainian military personnel had ben killed so far (maybe translation mistake and she meant dead+wounded)
Insane numbers for both side so far (if true). Absolute carnage out there, while for rest of Europe biggest concern is how their team gonna do at World Cup
Insane numbers for both side so far (if true). Absolute carnage out there, while for rest of Europe biggest concern is how their team gonna do at World Cup
The devil will be in the detail, however I doubt that NATO troops will be deployed inside Ukraine.
NATO IMO will supply all the money, equipment, training and logistics / supply chain support that Ukraine needs to repair its energy infrastructure.
From the language coming out of the NATO conference in Romania I think that they will also soon be supplying Ukraine with Patriot AD systems to counter the Russian cruise missile threat. Not before time IMO.
It’ll be civilian contractors who will do the work, with the cost being billed (partly) to NATO. Your latter point however is key, and is part of the process.
Why would NATO spend time and money on providing new energy infrastructure, with Russia having the potential to attack it again with its arsenal?
There's also risk to the European contractors, so there will be guarantees that it will come with some form of protection. That's where AD come into play.
Also, there are and there will continue to be 'contractors' on the ground, who may have previous military experience to ensure the process runs smoothly.
For Ukraine, they're going to be receiving new western infrastructure (bye bye Soviet stuff) that will run west rather than towards their old conquerer.
I was going to say, if it's 100,000 dead, then the wounded will be close to or over a million if you worked from the typical ratios.
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