Current Affairs Ukraine

[magicjuan]

Wait, what? You're sure there's nukes based in Ukraine? Is there anywhere we can read about this - that's like... brand new information.

Astounding ?

 

[magicjuan]

Depends what you mean by "our". Its not that difficult to find more than one source of independent reporting. Tbf, today there has been a lot of misinterpreted or wrong reporting and thats by design as well, of course.

RT has never been anything other than a propaganda tool. It rarely reports on anything internal and certainly not anything negative towards the state or government despite massive internal economic issues. A pension crisis looming for Russian citizens - not a dickie bird on it from RT.

There's a reason its offered in HD for free on any broadcasting platform that will take it.

I don't question that, but 'we' do it as well, in 'our' way for the same reasons. There's little ever reported about NHS legislation going through parliament or the changes to NI coming up.

 

[PhilM]

Unconfirmed reports from Ukrainian defence ministry that Ukraine had regained control of the airport. In his own words Russian forces holding the airport have been “liquidated”.

Rightly or wrongly, I can't see the Ukrainian regulars, defending their own soil, taking many prisoners. It's similar to how the French love to 'neutralise' threats.

 

[Mrk]

Astounding ?

That's a no, then?

I mean, are we seriously to believe that Ukraine has secretly kept some of its nuclear weapons without Russia going apoplectic about it for the past 20 years? The same Russia who cry every time conventional NATO forces in the region so much as move?

 

[Bluerover]

At the risk of sounding pedantic, it most certainly IS an option.

Dozens of NATO countries, including the USA, possess well-equipped armed forces - we have been told repeatedly that many of these countries have shipped high-tech weapons and munitions to Ukraine in advance of this horrific development, so it's safe to presume that this equipment is at least as good as the best already present in the Ukrainian military.

The troops and equipment exist. The will to use them however, is absent. Macron, Johnson, Trudeau and Biden, amongst dozens of other leaders, are very happy to talk about how unacceptable Putin's naked aggression is... But actions speak louder than words, and the actions taken thus far demonstrate to Putin that actually, provided he essentially pays a cash penalty, his annexation of Ukraine is acceptable to "the West", because the major players in NATO don't feel the urge to go any further than that.

Mate, one nuclear missile and all the troops on the ground are irrelevant.

 

[DualityNSNO]

We have governance that knowingly harms its own people, for many,many years. We live by a system that pays off debt with lives.
It's the fake morality about defending the people of Ukraine that is nauseating. No one batted an eyelid 8 years ago. And wars like this only exist because capital is made available either through accrued savings or loans from banks, and despite the embargoes money will still be available, and the 'investors' will want a return. This is strategy over resources and nothing else, the 'propaganda' on both sides istgeatre, a bit of garnish to drum up the tub thumpers. It's clickbait.

A lot of people batted an eyelid (probably many eyelids to be fair), that's such a bizarre take.

If anything, people were crapping themselves all over Europe, most of the news (outside of the UK) ran with "but what if Russian wants more" for so long after it.

You're saying there's a lot of propaganda on both sides, but one side is reporting on carpet bombing innocents (if you want I can send you the video of a lady riding a bike and getting bombed out of existence, if that's not considered propaganda against the Russians as well???), people's lives being over, electric and powerplants getting destroyed and civil unrest in Russia, while Russia reports... nothing. How great Putin is has been a thing that the Russian media ran for nearly all day, and how their army is incredibly strong. Oh, and choice words of support for Putin by Trump, justifying their actions.

Are you British yourself btw? Or am I misremembering?

Not really 'sort of' - Ukraine has zero ability to utilise any kind of nuclear weapon. There's no way they could have maintained and paid for the upkeep and delivery mechanisms needed to do that without the west/Russia being acutely aware of it.

Ah, I misunderstood, yeah. Oops.

They have a few bases capable of nuclear strikes though, apparently, but Russia and everyone relevant in existence definitely knows about it.

 

[magicjuan]

That's a no, then?

I mean, are we seriously to believe that Ukraine has secretly kept some of its nuclear weapons without Russia going apoplectic about it for the past 20 years? The same Russia who cry every time conventional NATO forces in the region so much as move?

130 UR-100N intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) with six warheads each, 46 RT-23 Molodets ICBMs with ten warheads apiece, as well as 33 heavy bombers, totaling approximately 1,700 warheads remained on Ukrainian territory. Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.

Very first thing on google.
The question in context was in regards to control, codes etc. They were left behind, some abandoned, after Ukraine gained 'independence', under proviso of responsibility.
So dig a little, if you want to.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Sad that working class often young mens lives will be lost fighting for something that benefits the top brass / elite.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[DualityNSNO]

130 UR-100N intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) with six warheads each, 46 RT-23 Molodets ICBMs with ten warheads apiece, as well as 33 heavy bombers, totaling approximately 1,700 warheads remained on Ukrainian territory. Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.

Very first thing on google.
The question in context was in regards to control, codes etc. They were left behind, some abandoned, after Ukraine gained 'independence', under proviso of responsibility.
So dig a little, if you want to.

Mate. Dig a little yourself.

That's the first one, and that's from when the USSR stopped existing. Or to show you what you yourself failed to read:
Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.[4] In 1994 Ukraine agreed to destroy the weapons, and to join the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT).[5][6]

LITERALLY THE NEXT LINE MATE.

 

[LostLegend]

We are truly living in the strangest timeline...

 

[PhilM]

Big doubt on exceed, but it will definitely be interesting.

If you're talking about collective capabilities, they may well exceed. The UK, US, Israel, France, Netherlands, Germany et al. often collaborate on it.

The issue is that it's not publicised, but look at examples of Israel and US hitting key infrastructure abroad. Consider their wide reaching surveillance abilities.

Russia, China and North Korea are well known for it as it's been a huge part of their arsenal, whereas for others it's a one less acknowledged aspect.

 

[magicjuan]

A lot of people batted an eyelid (probably many eyelids to be fair), that's such a bizarre take.

If anything, people were crapping themselves all over Europe, most of the news (outside of the UK) ran with "but what if Russian wants more" for so long after it.

You're saying there's a lot of propaganda on both sides, but one side is reporting on carpet bombing innocents (if you want I can send you the video of a lady riding a bike and getting bombed out of existence, if that's not considered propaganda against the Russians as well???), people's lives being over, electric and powerplants getting destroyed and civil unrest in Russia, while Russia reports... nothing. How great Putin is has been a thing that the Russian media ran for nearly all day, and how their army is incredibly strong. Oh, and choice words of support for Putin by Trump, justifying their actions.

Are you British yourself btw? Or am I misremembering?

Ah, I misunderstood, yeah. Oops.

They have a few bases capable of nuclear strikes though, apparently, but Russia and everyone relevant in existence definitely knows about it.

I am British, and I get fully the picture of war. We've been shown enough images over here from battleships being blown up in the Falklands to land mines in Iraq, Afghanistan.
War is abhorrent. Whoever carries it out. Whoever shows the footage. I cannot stand people thinking it's acceptable because 'we' did it,but not if 'they' did it.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Uncle Earpiece thinks Ukraine is cow breed.

I think I'm starting to see how your mind works...

 

[DualityNSNO]

If you're talking about collective capabilities, they may well exceed. The UK, US, Israel, France, Netherlands, Germany et al. often collaborate on it.

The issue is that it's not publicised, but look at examples of Israel and US hitting key infrastructure abroad. Consider their wide reaching surveillance abilities.

Russia, China and North Korea are well known for it as it's been a huge part of their arsenal, whereas for others it's a one less acknowledged aspect.

Oh no that's what I meant as well, as it could be a quality vs. quantity kind of thing, in a way.

It's very interesting in a way I don't want to find out though tbh lol

 

[Mrk]

130 UR-100N intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) with six warheads each, 46 RT-23 Molodets ICBMs with ten warheads apiece, as well as 33 heavy bombers, totaling approximately 1,700 warheads remained on Ukrainian territory. Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.

Very first thing on google.
The question in context was in regards to control, codes etc. They were left behind, some abandoned, after Ukraine gained 'independence', under proviso of responsibility.
So dig a little, if you want to.

Mate this is seriously embarrassing, as @DualityNSNO points out, you've stopped reading just before the line that says "In 1994 Ukraine agreed to destroy the weapons...".

If you're having to google something (badly) to back up something you've said (which is patently false), you'd be well advised to quit while you're behind.