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[Noisy noise annoys]

People are free to hate The West, but they should also be glad that we shape the world, cos if not, I shudder to think what it would be like if other regions took control.

Indeed, if the west had not stepped in, vlad and his thugs would be rampant now

 

[LinekersLegs]

I don’t know how there can be a negotiation if this is a widespread opinion

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I don’t know how there can be a negotiation if this is a widespread opinion

Davids backing these types

 

[Tree13]

You are just too dumb to see that my suspicion that the US are profiting from this to such an extent that a ceasefire is the last thing they want. And I'm still waiting for a quote from one of my alleged pro Putin posts. Being deeply suspicious of the motives of the US isn't by default pro Russia.?

I understand entirely your suspicion that the US profits from warfare, both economically via sales of weapons and also in a variety of foreign policy / geopolitical influence ways. I'd say you're almost certainly correct. I'd go further and say several other western countries are also profiting in some or all of those ways too, and I suspect you might agree.

I don't think Biden gets to decide if Zelensky is allowed to agree to a ceasefire or not. I accept that you have suspicions in that area, but until a rational ceasefire is on the table (and it never has been thus far - ceding Crimea, Donbass and all points between as a pre-condition is obviously unacceptable and IF the Kremlin made such an offer it was clearly one designed to be refused so that Putin could then attempt to paint Zelensky as somehow complicit in the ongoing assaults upon his own civilian population), it's completely academic.

If Zelensky were to refuse a ceasefire for no apparent reason, when Putin offered to withdraw all his troops from Ukraine and return control of Crimea, Donbass and everywhere else to Ukraine then yes, I'd ask questions too. But that hasn't happened.

No-one has suggested that being suspicious of US motives, or even being openly critical of US motives, makes you Pro-Russia. The suggestion is that your steadfast refusal to ever utter a single word of criticism of Putin, when his troops have raped and murdered THOUSANDS of non-combatants, makes you pro-Russia.

You are straw-manning like an all-pro here, my darling vatnik boy.

Now man up and address the following:

Why can't you condemn Putin's aggression?

Why can't you simply state that Russia's invasion is illegal?

Why can't you acknowledge that rounding up civilians to beat, rape and murder them before burying them in mass graves, as Russian forces have repeatedly done, is wrong?

Why must you instead WUM, by demanding that UKR should meekly ACCEPT all the above and refuse to defend themselves?

You could just put the vicious rumours to bed by saying "I despise Putin and his illegal warmongering, his widespread and indiscriminate targeting of civilians and the despotic tyranny with which he effectively holds the Russian populace hostage. I condemn all the above with the same venom that I criticise the West."

It would be easy to write. But you won't do it, and you only have yourself to blame for the conclusions drawn by those of us who have patiently endured your pro-Putin propoganda on here.

 

[bluestevon]

Will you condemn Putin, David?

Why should he have to do so?
In fact why is it important for you that anybody should be badgered into saying that?
Why does it actually matter his opinion on Putin or anything else? You either agree or disagree, listen or don't, his opinion on Putin doesn't alter any of that.


You're basically becoming the GoT version of the Macarthy witch hunt mate, if you don't condemn then you support, maybe some people don't feel they need to have to publicly state something because of pressure from the herd.

Your one Russian mate has really got to you lad

 

[Goat]

Why should he have to do so?
In fact why is it important for you that anybody should be badgered into saying that?
Why does it actually matter his opinion on Putin or anything else? You either agree or disagree, listen or don't, his opinion on Putin doesn't alter any of that.


You're basically becoming the GoT version of the Macarthy witch hunt mate, if you don't condemn then you support, maybe some people don't feel they need to have to publicly state something because of pressure from the herd.

Your one Russian mate has really got to you lad

Will you condemn the actions of the terrorist state known as Russian Steven?

 

[McBain]

iPhone ? Freeview More4 Escape to the Chateau.?

David, you can imagine my suprise when I get an invoice every month from ‘Google Ireland’.

Can you care to explain to me the global financial hegemony that maximises profits for corporations that use Ireland to avoid paying taxes that would go back into my local community but are brazenly stolen by the Irish?

David comrade?

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Think the GOT shop needs to start selling dartboards with a pic of Vlad on. Grrr.

 

[Goat]

Russia is a terrorist state.

 

[McBain]

Why should he have to do so?
In fact why is it important for you that anybody should be badgered into saying that?
Why does it actually matter his opinion on Putin or anything else? You either agree or disagree, listen or don't, his opinion on Putin doesn't alter any of that.


You're basically becoming the GoT version of the Macarthy witch hunt mate, if you don't condemn then you support, maybe some people don't feel they need to have to publicly state something because of pressure from the herd.

Your one Russian mate has really got to you lad

The herd.

The big boys in the playground twisting your arm and ganging up on you.

The freedom to speak does not come with a caveat of silence.

 

[bluestevon]

People are free to hate The West, but they should also be glad that we shape the world, cos if not, I shudder to think what it would be like if other regions took control.

Jesus H Christ.

That's the most arrogant, ignorant thing you've ever said.

It's neo liberalism in a nut shell, we know better than you, so anything not in line with what we think is wrong and this needs to be changed.

Elect a leader we don't like, well you don't understand democracy so we'll replace him with one we do, form a wrong alliance, again you shouldn't do that so we'll correct you by force or regime change or sanctions.

I'm sure the 80+% of the world not in the Anglosphere is absolutely delighted that you (meaning effectively white European - Christian ) have shaped their world mate.

 

[Goat]

Jesus H Christ.

That's the most arrogant, ignorant thing you've ever said.

It's neo liberalism in a nut shell, we know better than you, so anything not in line with what we think is wrong and this needs to be changed.

Elect a leader we don't like, well you don't understand democracy so we'll replace him with one we do, form a wrong alliance, again you shouldn't do that so we'll correct you by force or regime change or sanctions.

I'm sure the 80+% of the world not in the Anglosphere is absolutely delighted that you (meaning effectively white European - Christian ) have shaped their world mate.

Well they are mate, the whole world embraces western culture.

Unless you want those Chinese fellas shaping the world? Or maybe the forward-thinking chaps in the Middle East?

Will you condemn the actions of the terrorist state Russia Steven?

 

[PKwalnuts]

This thread is fascinating.
I came here for Ukraine updates, and stayed for the bitchiness and goading.

This is what the Arena, should have been.

 

[malfosse]

Jesus H Christ.

That's the most arrogant, ignorant thing you've ever said.

It's neo liberalism in a nut shell, we know better than you, so anything not in line with what we think is wrong and this needs to be changed.

Elect a leader we don't like, well you don't understand democracy so we'll replace him with one we do, form a wrong alliance, again you shouldn't do that so we'll correct you by force or regime change or sanctions.

I'm sure the 80+% of the world not in the Anglosphere is absolutely delighted that you (meaning effectively white European - Christian ) have shaped their world mate.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but, isn't that what Russia is trying to invade Ukraine for? Well one of the reasons.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

This thread is fascinating.
I came here for Ukraine updates, and stayed for the bitchiness and goading.

This is what the Arena, should have been.

THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD!