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Presumably these conscripts can now be told to serve in the newly annexed territories as they are now “Russian”
*makes note to review confession schedule at local parish
I've repeatedly said that I doubt the outcome will be nuclear conflict; the use of nuclear weapons as a deterrent is different from their actual implementation.
Take it with as much salt as you'd like, but the grapevine is suggesting that the US have made it clear that there'll be catastrophic results for Russia if they do.
Will it be nuclear? Will it be conventional? Either way, the Russian command and control (leadership) would be targeted.
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Spadge Vernacular
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I'd suggest that it is the human nature element that runs through leadership and the broader sense of preventitive diplomacy possible within the limits of Putins duplicity
Martin Alvito
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What they're saying is consistent with ramping things up at Olenya. To make the spectre of tactical weapons credible, certain preparations have to be made.
It doesn't follow that they'll fly anytime soon.
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Since it was established near 400 years ago, just look at countries borders today, treaties diplomatically agreed too as per it's tenants that either led to further conflicts resulting etc, in theory the system is an excellent one, but it simply has repeatedly failed ever since it's inception.
Like any system it's not what the rules and regulations are that ultimately matter, it's how they are implemented.
Same as the UN in theory is a wonderful thing, but even it's most ardent support must see how it repeatedly fails as any form of body.
Are there better systems, I don't know, but the current ones just don't work.
bluestevon
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Given the Russian dictate that any potential decapitation strike will see it's entire nuclear arsenal launched that's one hell of a gambit man.
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Martin Alvito
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The point of the whole thing was never to end war. It was more or less to recognize that everybody at the table had the same 'divine right' to govern inside its borders irrespective of the monarch's religion. They fully intended to continue to batter at one another to move the borders when the occasion suited.
The modern notion that "if everyone just recognized everyone else's territorial integrity, there would be no war" fails to recognize both the longstanding, messy nature of territorial disputes and the fact that internal conflicts frequently spill over across borders. If the opponent in a civil war builds a Maginot line, it's very convenient to use the neighbor's territory to go around. Then there's the fact that ethnic/religious and territorial borders often do not overlap.
IMO the only play now is NATO has to go all in and move into Ukraine as a supportive ally.
Forget playing by the rules. Russia isn't and they're expecting us too.
They won't push the button if we're there.
They might if we're not and they're losing.
Forget playing by the rules. Russia isn't and they're expecting us too.
They won't push the button if we're there.
They might if we're not and they're losing.
Spadge Vernacular
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History repeating.
www.theguardian.com
Behind the shining pomp of the Red Square rally is a Russia in turmoil
As a Moscow concert marked Putin’s declaration of the annexation of four regions of Ukraine, the backlash to mobilisation reached fever pitch
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