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Alternatively, there are a few harrowing accounts of the troops in the pocket being annihilated alongside a lot of destruction on the road to Kreminna.The battle for Lyman.
bluestevon
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"Putin is sending those young conscripts, and old men, into battle with obsolete weapons". Runs the narrative (propaganda). Well, well it seems not the case.
Wow.
Love his 'Still' at the end though
bluestevon
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We'll see, as of 3-4 days ago this was being hailed as a certain victory and a very very important one by everyone connected, even the speeches from Zelensky where he hinted at 'a huge announcement soon about military progress' without mentioning Lyman by name though.
Now, if it doesn't happen and the reverse does, given the amount of focus Ukraine has placed here - and given they are pretty much using all their NATO trained and equipped units - it doesn't bode well for their ability to liberate all of Ukraine.
You're right - if the encirclement and capture wasn't achieved, it would be a setback for Ukraine, although perhaps not one that'd change the outcome of the war.
Equally, if they don't totally eradicate the forces within the pocket (e.g. do not capture all), it'll be a setback for Ukraine, although perhaps not one that'd...
In WWII, the allies had the chance to induce a catastrophic outcome at Falaise. They didn't encircle all (some escaped), but the damage was done.
Lyman is nowhere near the size or significance of Falaise, however if Ukraine is able to close the pocket and rout it could have a domino effect for the line.
Spadge Vernacular
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Yup - Apparently the Russian forces in Lyman were told by their command to stay put and not retreat. Such is the respect senior Russian officers have for their men.
Also hearing that The Russians have abandoned Kreminna to the North East of Lyman - probably trying to establish a new line of defence.
Also hearing that The Russians have abandoned Kreminna to the North East of Lyman - probably trying to establish a new line of defence.
bluestevon
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Pretty good summation there.
Just going on best available reports - weakening one currently engaged front to support the Lyman operation suggests it's importance, it also indicates either Ukraine have no reserve left (they committed it all already) or within operational distance of the region.
The other unknown but a guestimate is the nature of the Russian reinforcements flooding into the zone, are they newly recruited, poorly equipped units thrown together, or are they units that have been dong reserve duties now freed up by the influx of recruits taking up those duties.
What they are matters more than numbers in that regard.
Seems to be a lot of chatter on the Russian air force doing a lot of night sorties as well in support. Which is a big factor morale wise to both sides.
bluestevon
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If it's just left by itself then it's negligence to order that, if an operation is taken to counter attack the counter offensive then maintaining hold of Lyman is a strategically sound military decision though.
As I said, only the coming days/weeks will show if the choice was correct or not
If the Ukes capture Svatove then it’s game over for Russians in Luhansk. That is the last big remaining logistics hub left in the region.
I suspect after Lyman/Kreminna that is the next objective.
I expect Russian forces to setup their next defensive line at this point.
Any counter offensive would have come from Kreminna direction but they’re pulling out of there and falling back to Svatove.
I hope the remaining troops in Lyman surrender - they’ll be well treated and exchanged in a month or so.
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bluestevon
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If it is the 752nd then they won't surrender against orders mate.
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